Edge Pro to Lo Pro... - Page 2

jalguitarman · #16 02-13-2006, 09:25 AM

the funny thing is. I used to have an rg-770 that would pull way sharper than i was willing to go at the time. Now i want go really sharpa nd i guess i will have to have the cavity routed. I do think after reading this post about uneven pull up i want to convert to an older ibanez trem. Which is better origional edge or lo pro edge? I am kind of wishing i would have just bought a jem. I didn't a little because of the price but more so because i did not want to be a wanna-be. I used a credit card for part of the purchase price so i would have been paying a little longer. I guess i goofed up.

ryanb · #17 02-13-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ant1981

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ibanez.shredder · #18 02-13-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jalguitarman

the funny thing is. I used to have an rg-770 that would pull way sharper than i was willing to go at the time. Now i want go really sharpa nd i guess i will have to have the cavity routed. I do think after reading this post about uneven pull up i want to convert to an older ibanez trem. Which is better origional edge or lo pro edge? I am kind of wishing i would have just bought a jem. I didn't a little because of the price but more so because i did not want to be a wanna-be. I used a credit card for part of the purchase price so i would have been paying a little longer. I guess i goofed up.

Yeah, i was really working the EDGE-Pro on my RG1527 last night, and you guys are right. Its quite a bit stiffer, and dosn't have the pullup i want either. Now i finally understand what you guys are feeling!I love the EDGE-Pro but wish it wasn't quite so stiff.

Orginal EDGE vs Lo-Pro:

Both of them have fantastic pullup range, and are very smooth, but not as smooth as the EDGE-Pro. Basically the Orginal EDGE is best sounding and performing of the two (only by a tiny bit), but is quite uncomfortable, and very annoying to change strings on because the locking bolts are under the finetuners, whereas the Lo-Pro is much more comfortable, looks better, perfoms nearly as well (i don't think you would notice), and much easier to adjust and operate. So i say if you are SURE you want to get rid of the EDGE-Pro, get the Lo-Pro

Steve Brand · #19 02-13-2006, 09:13 PM

Isn't funny how we all differ on this stuff.... I'd much rather change the strings on an original Edge than the Lo-Pro version because the bolts usually are obscured by the finetuners to some degree on those! I've tried to convince myself that there's a tonal difference between them...but I dunno....
I guess that it all comes down to what you're personally used to, eh?!

As far as the comparisons to the new Edge Pro style trems go.... The original Edge and Lo-Pro systems are vastly superior IMHO....hands up all those that have broken saddles on their Edge Pro's (or at least seen it happen to someone else). Annoying rattles and buzzes seem to plague them too.

You do have to recut some of the trem routing to convert from an Edge Pro to an Edge but it's basically just extending the cut for the finetuner part and deepening the cut of the corners by the posts. I've done several conversions and all the players have been delighted with the improved feel & performance. If you are comfortable using a router or even just a Dremel (or similar rotary tool) with a router base it's pretty easy. If not, then talk to your local luthiers/techs and find one that you have confidence in....

Rich · #20 02-13-2006, 09:27 PM

Annoying rattles and buzzes are as prevalent in ED and LP's, the saddle tails have as much play on all their trems and all are subject to saddle buzz. EP's are more prone to broken saddles, so are EP2's, but it's not like LP/ED saddles never broke, EP's just break much more often.

Steve Brand · #21 02-13-2006, 11:22 PM

"ED's and LP's"...I'm getting up to speed with the lingo!

Anyway...I've had more ED equipped guitars since 1987 than I care to confess to here....not once has a saddle rattled on me. As to LP's...other than a couple of LP-7's on my original UV's & a BFP way back when and a LP-7 Double Edge that I have now...I don't have that much experience with them personally but I haven't experienced any issues to date.

The broken saddle issue with the EP/EP2 trems seems to happen even to players that are experienced enough to not take the "tighten it until it snaps and then back it off a half turn" approach to wielding a 3mm allen wrench. But you're right, Rich....saddles will break...no matter what the trem...if over-tightened.

Rich · #22 02-13-2006, 11:41 PM

Take a saddle of each type and wiggle the tail, they all have the same play, and it's the play that causes the buzz.

I broke a saddle barely starting to crush the windings on a D string, sometimes it doesn't take any pressure at all. If it's meant to break it'll break.

Steve Brand · #23 02-14-2006, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Take a saddle of each type and wiggle the tail, they all have the same play, and it's the play that causes the buzz.

Aah...ok. I see what you're getting at. Have you experienced this rattling issue in ED & LP trems yourself? (I am very aware of who you are and your very deserved standing within the Ibanez community, so I'm not going to disbelieve you or argue the point!!!) I'm just intrigued.....because I've never seen it myself and in nearly 20 years as a tech/luthier I've never had a client complain of it on an ED or LP. Plenty of incidences involving Schaller trems and an occasional OFR etc...but that's it. Have I simply been freakishly lucky and consequently ignorant of the problem also affecting some ED's?

Thanks!

Rich · #24 02-14-2006, 01:39 PM

15 years ago my Radius used to drive me nuts with the buzzing till I figured out what it was and swapped the saddle around. Like I said,. all of them do it [or are capable of doing it].

Chris777 · #25 02-22-2006, 06:41 PM

So is it possible to swap an EP for a LP with some minor routing, or are:

-are the stud inserts in the wrong place?
-are the pickguards slightly different between EP's and LP's
-would the spring cavity be too long causing more pressure if a Lo-Pro was fitted?

Do you guys think it is possible, or not?

ibanez.shredder · #26 02-23-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris777

So is it possible to swap an EP for a LP with some minor routing, or are:

-are the stud inserts in the wrong place?
-are the pickguards slightly different between EP's and LP's
-would the spring cavity be too long causing more pressure if a Lo-Pro was fitted?

Do you guys think it is possible, or not?

Christ some people can't read.

1. No the studs can stay where they are. But if you want locking studs, you will have to remove the stud inserts and put locking ones and also buy locking studs (expensive). Or you can buy the locking stud mod. Either way you aren't gaining anything over an EDGE-Pro with locking studs.

2. Pickguards are very similar. At most would require a slight file in the front corners.

3. Spring cavities are exactly the same. Even if they wern't you could just remove a spring.

Honestly guys, you just end up spending ****loads of money, with very negliable performance differance. The only reason i can think of changing is for more flutter, and even then you can do more to the EDGE-Pro to get more flutter. I'm seeing too many damn newbies who don't know what they are talking about, especially when they go ''the EDGE-Pro is crap compared to the LP and ED''

Chris777 · #27 02-23-2006, 01:54 AM

^^ You seem to be really against swapping trems.

Ant1981 · #28 02-23-2006, 04:24 PM

I've been told that Ibanez redesigned the trem so that they dont have to pay license fees to Floyd Rose.

I dont get why as yes, the Edge was like the OFR, but the lo pro was different as the saddle locks were forward and the tail is lower, just like the edge pro. To me, the edge pro is just a smoother looking lo pro really.

Chud · #29 02-23-2006, 04:38 PM

The edge pro isn't crap, i just find it very stiff and it doesn't have as much up pull as my other Ibanez locking-trem guitars

jalguitarman · #30 03-03-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chud

The edge pro isn't crap, i just find it very stiff and it doesn't have as much up pull as my other Ibanez locking-trem guitars

The lack of pull up is why i want to convert to an older ibanez trem. I have noticed that on the low strings it will pull up a 5th until the b string which will pull a third and the e string will only go a minor third. I really find this quite odd.