Everyones opinion wanted on so-called defect issue.

sniperfrommars1 · #1 08-07-2006, 05:41 AM

http://www.ibanez.com/forum/forum_po...032&PN=1&TPN=1

Check that thread out and let me know what you think. Does this guy have any grounds for argument? Im somewhat puzzled that more of you havent seen this or commented on it yet. I know this may be a rough issue, hell if i was a mod id probably close this and stay away from the thread but i feel that it is VERY relevant. Lets assume for the sake of discussion that this guy in the thread is correct. What would that mean? Well i think the guy is completely anal retentive and insane but i want your opinions on it. Specifically i want Rich's, Glenn,s, frankfalbo, and a few of you guys to comment on it as well.

Kii · #2 08-07-2006, 05:55 AM

Honestly, I think he is either covering up for his own lack of playing ability by saying "It's the instrument's fault," or...he's just crazy.

Davey · #3 08-07-2006, 06:01 AM

This guy is an idiot.

In fact, anyone that has had over 100 guitars and can only get an ARIA PRO to stay in tune needs to put down the damn guitar and start playing a triangle (having said that, he'd probably even find a way to de-tune that.)

However, getting guitars and having them be 1mm out of line isn't anally retentive.

Britain getting better guitars?! LMAO! Hey at least we pay more if that were to be true

sniperfrommars1 · #4 08-07-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibanez249

This guy is an idiot.

In fact, anyone that has had over 100 guitars and can only get an ARIA PRO to stay in tune needs to put down the damn guitar and start playing a triangle (having said that, he'd probably even find a way to de-tune that.)

However, getting guitars and having them be 1mm out of line isn't anally retentive.

Britain getting better guitars?! LMAO! Hey at least we pay more if that were to be true

Working as a tech for several years and frequenting guitar shops, ive pretty much never seen what hes talking about. Now in his pictures he does detail it and those deffects appear to be present.

Davey · #5 08-07-2006, 06:17 AM

The thing is, how do we know he's not just had it on this one guitar, been unlucky, and is now on the Ibanez forum to try and kick up a fuss and get compensated with some freebies or something?

sniperfrommars1 · #6 08-07-2006, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibanez249

The thing is, how do we know he's not just had it on this one guitar, been unlucky, and is now on the Ibanez forum to try and kick up a fuss and get compensated with some freebies or something?

That sounds completely feasable. He makes little no mention of the vwh he received in his post, now me on the other hand would be mad as **** if i had gotten a vwh in this condition *(if in fact it had came in this condition)* Maybe he got reamed ont hat deal and is now seaking compensation.

**elcid** · #7 08-07-2006, 07:45 AM

He's a nut, maybe he should sell his guitars and spend more on his model trains.

Dee · #8 08-07-2006, 02:10 PM

I already posted about this a few days back. The thread was locked by Glen, so don't be surprised if this one is too.

Rich won't comment on it, he doesn't post at the Ibanez forum.

Plus I think you guys should stop claiming he's insane, an idiot, etc. If he is, so what? It's not nice to say these kind of things on public forums, it's out of order.

AKMG · #9 08-07-2006, 02:24 PM

I don't get how you can have ~100 guitars and each of them doesn't stay in tune. Poor guy.

Lefty Robb · #10 08-07-2006, 02:43 PM

First off, You can't nitpick the quality on a $300 Korean Ibanez. There never going to be perfect, or even close. And I'm sure Rich can tell you that even the Jems are far from perfect, I mean just look at the issues hes had with the BRMRs.

gu1tar · #11 08-07-2006, 02:47 PM

The bozo alarm is going off on this one bigtime. I love how he keeps claiming how great he is and that these "bad guitars" have kept him from being some famous musician with CDs he's put out, etc. That tells me what I need to know.

And what dolt would have 100 guitars that *none* stayed in tune? You couldn't play them or even string that many.

It's clear he has no idea how to set up a guitar properly.

**jemsite** · #12 08-07-2006, 03:05 PM

i locked that other thread becuase it was leaning towards "bashing" other forums & their members which is unacceptable here.

As to the OP i'd chalk that up as user/setup error (and buyer error for even purchasing that guitar). To what percent it's user error vs setup error (i'm calling out 100% purchasing error regardless) that i can't determine from the info posted.

For example, if the studs are loose in the body that is setup error subject to any double-locker... glen

andy7jem · #13 08-07-2006, 03:12 PM

Seems to be crying for attention IMO.

(that doesn't add anything but it does state EVERYONES opinion wanted

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Ozzdoc · #14 08-07-2006, 03:40 PM

haha Deewsift is giving him hell, ya!

frankfalbo · #15 08-07-2006, 05:04 PM

Gosh I can't get through 18 pages of that. It sounds like he's talking about the kinds of things that tempered tuning, the buzz feiten mod, and/or an earvana nut would solve. His use of the word "defect" is ridiculous, since we're all playing the same guitars, and we all get by without a nervous breakdown. At this point, I can even play a guitar that doesn't intonate, with the nut too high, and still be in tune. It's all in the squeeze. He says he has a real light touch, but it also sounds like someone who squeezes notes sharp when they play. The guitars he's describing all have jumbo frets, and ample room for him to squeeze sharp. There's no way his lock nuts are moving when he's playing. I've put guitars together without lock nut bolts for testing and they don't even move. Nuts can move under trem action, but not normal fretting. He's just incorrect, or misunderstood, not trained in tempered tuning, or otherwise misinformed. He should spend a few hours with a strobe and just watch how the notes move around when you fret. Then he should invent the Buzz Feiten tuning system, but too bad it's already been invented.