Floyd Rose vs Standard Tremolo

guitarfella666 · #1 05-31-2009, 08:24 AM

Is there a tremolo that isn't a floyd rose,but stays in tune when whammy is used a lot?

skins345669 · #2 05-31-2009, 08:40 AM

Wilkinson's are pretty good. Team it up with a graphite nut and some locking tuners, it's the next best thing.

HeavyMetal4Ever · #3 05-31-2009, 10:01 AM

Check out the Edge series of bridges from Ibanez, or maybe a Khaler?

Rock on!

TMatt142 · #4 05-31-2009, 10:54 AM

It's called an Ibanez lo-pro, edge pro, or original edge trem. Of course as far as licensed trems. Gotoh floyds are good and I've heard Ping's are just as good....

Homebake · #5 05-31-2009, 11:00 AM

you realise the OP said "not floyd rose" right?

eviltwin · #6 05-31-2009, 11:30 AM

right, so he's referring to something like this?

Random Hero · #7 05-31-2009, 12:54 PM

The trem on the EBMM JP models is excellent. However, you can't buy it separately unfortunately. The Gotoh 510 that Suhr uses looks quite similar though?

http://suhrguitars.com/bridges.aspx - You can get it recessed a la the Guthrie model if you would like. Seems like a great trem.

dreadshreadclown · #8 05-31-2009, 06:43 PM

ANSWER RIGHT HERE!!

dude, go for the ZR trem from Ibanez.
I know everyone is saying the Edge, but whatever. My friend has an Edge III, and its alright, but it goes out every now and then. And it's a pain to try and adjust it.
With the ZR, it's sooo simple. Man, I LOVE IT. Like, all it is is a thumbwheel.
And it has ballbearings so it doesn't wear out like the Edge.

Trust man. As long as you stretch the strings, tune properly, keep the bridge balanced, it's all good.
=)

PS. It also has that ZPS so it returns to zero point when you let go of it. And it won't float out of tune if a string snaps. It's happened to me. ahaha.
Or you could take it out and make it fully floating.

But yes. Just check out their site. Enough of my bragging.

ZR ftw!

lemongrass · #9 05-31-2009, 07:38 PM

I think you're meaning all the double locking floyd rose type trems - including the ibanez variation - edge types etc vs a more strat type trem?

I think the answer is some form of locking machineheads and a good (graphite?) nut.
My PRS Cu24 holds it's tuning pretty much as well as my JEM - it's has a very different feel but the tuning is very solid...

Cheers
John

dreadshreadclown · #10 05-31-2009, 08:10 PM

well then.
the ZR is completely different dude. it has no resemblance to the edge, so therefore cant be classified as an OFR.
but in any matter, the strat types are garbage. seriously.
theres a reason everyone switched them out for a new floyd. and even now he wants something else.

i mean no offence by what i just said. its my own opinion. i very much despise strats and theyre horrible parts.

Homebake · #11 05-31-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadshreadclown

well then.
the ZR is completely different dude. it has no resemblance to the edge, so therefore cant be classified as an OFR.
but in any matter, the strat types are garbage. seriously.
theres a reason everyone switched them out for a new floyd. and even now he wants something else.

i mean no offence by what i just said. its my own opinion. i very much despise strats and theyre horrible parts.

you have to realise a strat type bridge isn't made for fluttering and dive bombing...they were originally designed back in the 50s to add some vibratro to chords and maybe a little half to full step pull up or dive here and there. they are fine for that, but if you want to be steve vai, you obviously need a floating, double locking trem.

Mr. Killer · #12 06-01-2009, 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guitarfella666

Is there a tremolo that isn't a floyd rose,but stays in tune when whammy is used a lot?

Check the Music Man John Petrucci Signature guitar. It has some kind of tremolo-floyd that doesn't need a locking nut but it seems to stay in tune very well. Otherwise, John wouldn't use it

Random Hero · #13 06-01-2009, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadshreadclown

well then.
the ZR is completely different dude. it has no resemblance to the edge, so therefore cant be classified as an OFR.
but in any matter, the strat types are garbage. seriously.
theres a reason everyone switched them out for a new floyd. and even now he wants something else.

i mean no offence by what i just said. its my own opinion. i very much despise strats and theyre horrible parts.

Come on... this is ridiculous. Garbage? No. For what they are, they're absolutely fine. If you want to be Steve Vai then yes, you're going to need a double locking trem. For the standard light tremolo use, the 2-point trem on the US Strats isn't garbage.

Hub · #14 06-01-2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadshreadclown

ANSWER RIGHT HERE!!

dude, go for the ZR trem from Ibanez.
I know everyone is saying the Edge, but whatever. My friend has an Edge III, and its alright, but it goes out every now and then. And it's a pain to try and adjust it.
With the ZR, it's sooo simple. Man, I LOVE IT. Like, all it is is a thumbwheel.
And it has ballbearings so it doesn't wear out like the Edge.

Trust man. As long as you stretch the strings, tune properly, keep the bridge balanced, it's all good.
=)

PS. It also has that ZPS so it returns to zero point when you let go of it. And it won't float out of tune if a string snaps. It's happened to me. ahaha.
Or you could take it out and make it fully floating.

But yes. Just check out their site. Enough of my bragging.

ZR ftw!

The ZR does NOT stay in tune when you snap a string, even though the ZPS bar is in. Its just not possible since the bar acts from behind the tremolo block, when a string snaps the tension drops on the string side, and the trem drops in to the cavity. The ZPS bar is then suspended in air and completely useless. I'm not bashing the ZR, I'm bashing the useless ZPS bar and the numbnuts at Ibanez who wrote that it would stay in tune when snapping a string.

skins345669 · #15 06-01-2009, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hub

The ZR does NOT stay in tune when you snap a string, even though the ZPS bar is in. Its just not possible since the bar acts from behind the tremolo block, when a string snaps the tension drops on the string side, and the trem drops in to the cavity. The ZPS bar is then suspended in air and completely useless. I'm not bashing the ZR, I'm bashing the useless ZPS bar and the numbnuts at Ibanez who wrote that it would stay in tune when snapping a string.

+1. It doesn't stay in tune at all.