Getting "OFR" type flutter on an Edge Pro.

[Homebake]

wtf? he said be careful of original edge's? might wanna tell doctor vai and professor satchafunkilus that.

[jb4674]

Originally Posted by Rich

Sorry, the guy lost me when he said never adjust action at pitch. The system was designed to be adjusted at pitch.

Originally Posted by newbieguitarmaker

Hah I was thinking the same thing.

I agree. The knife edges were meant to undergo that much stress and so do the studs. I guess urban guitar setup myths are still told to this day...

Jimmy

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by Homebake

wtf? he said be careful of original edge's? might wanna tell doctor vai and professor satchafunkilus that.

They're very good, and certainly demand a lot from their equipment, but that does NOT mean what they use is automagically the best out there man.

[newbieguitarmaker]

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

They're very good, and certainly demand a lot from their equipment, but that does NOT mean what they use is automagically the best out there man.

But... they are lol

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by newbieguitarmaker

But... they are lol

I disagree. The ZR on my S2170 is by far the better system than the Original Edge on my RG550EX, and thats before AND after both guitars were setup and given a full fret level by my local technician. The only flaw comparitively is the arm holder. But unfortunately, the flaw is that it breaks. When it was working, I considered it a better holder than the edge, and have now replaced it with an OFR holder, which is also superior.

Also, the RG550EX has a much much weaker acoustic tone than the S2170FW ever did, barely audible in a normal room, whereas the S2170's acoustic sound is reasonably audible even outside in daytime.

[Rich]

You will find many that will argue against the ZR and EZ as being better than anything. Herman Li [for one] disliked it so much he went with the EZ on his sig, and then the EP on his custom.

[Homebake]

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

They're very good, and certainly demand a lot from their equipment, but that does NOT mean what they use is automagically the best out there man.

um ok, but i wasn't implying that. i mean, the edge's have been proven time and time again by different players, famous or not, to be excellent.

don't worry about it.

[newbieguitarmaker]

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I disagree. The ZR on my S2170 is by far the better system than the Original Edge on my RG550EX, and thats before AND after both guitars were setup and given a full fret level by my local technician. The only flaw comparitively is the arm holder. But unfortunately, the flaw is that it breaks. When it was working, I considered it a better holder than the edge, and have now replaced it with an OFR holder, which is also superior.

Also, the RG550EX has a much much weaker acoustic tone than the S2170FW ever did, barely audible in a normal room, whereas the S2170's acoustic sound is reasonably audible even outside in daytime.

I really don't think you can compare the acoustic sound since the S2170 is a mahogany body with a bubinga top and the 550 is basswood. Also I don't think the ZR or EZ are bad at all, I just think the Edge's are better. Also preference is for the arm holder and yeah they are easier to change.

OFR's aren't very well made anymore so if I have to go with anything but an edge I usually go for a gotoh floyd, but an OFR is acceptable still, some are just duds from the factory nowadays. Btw gotoh manufactured the edge's if I am correct.

I think the best ball bearing floyd is Vigier's OFR with ball bearings instead of studs and knife edges. Of course it doesn't have the ZPS but that means better flutter than the ZR's but not the cool easy setup features.

Also I don't really know how you got into your reply since his post was making a funny remark towards the person saying to be careful with the edge's since Satch and Vai abuse theirs and don't have issues.

The whole tremolo thing is preference but we know the Edge's can take a beating better than most of their competitors, plus they are sexy

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by newbieguitarmaker

I really don't think you can compare the acoustic sound since the S2170 is a mahogany body with a bubinga top and the 550 is basswood. Also I don't think the ZR or EZ are bad at all, I just think the Edge's are better. Also preference is for the arm holder and yeah they are easier to change.

OFR's aren't very well made anymore so if I have to go with anything but an edge I usually go for a gotoh floyd, but an OFR is acceptable still, some are just duds from the factory nowadays. Btw gotoh manufactured the edge's if I am correct.

I think the best ball bearing floyd is Vigier's OFR with ball bearings instead of studs and knife edges. Of course it doesn't have the ZPS but that means better flutter than the ZR's but not the cool easy setup features.

Also I don't really know how you got into your reply since his post was making a funny remark towards the person saying to be careful with the edge's since Satch and Vai abuse theirs and don't have issues.

The whole tremolo thing is preference but we know the Edge's can take a beating better than most of their competitors, plus they are sexy

I was just responding, since the post basically said 'Vai and satch use x, therefore x is the best EVARRRRRR'

And pointing out that my opinion is very different. Not to mention the ZR just FEELS much more solid and well built. I've taken both trems out of their respective guitars a number of times and the edge felt considerably less solid than the ZR.

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[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by Rich

You will find many that will argue against the ZR and EZ as being better than anything. Herman Li [for one] disliked it so much he went with the EZ on his sig, and then the EP on his custom.

I don't get where the implication came from that I was even referring to the EZ. I'm just saying the Original edge ISN'T my kettle of fish, and that its a bit foolish to assume the the original edge is THAT good. I see lots of people saying the original edge is the best ever, who have no idea what a LoPro is and who don't own an original edge themselves, they're just saying it because they assume Vai uses the best everything.

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[Rich]

My comment started with ZR correct?

And you will find many many many players, that know plenty about trem systems, who will tell you straight out they prefer the original Edge to any variation or advancement of it, including me.

[GuitarBizarre]

Yes it did, but since there were 2 mentions of the EZ in as many posts, I felt as if it needed addressing.

And I'm aware of that, and I still disagree, and I prefer my ZR. A lot of other people prefer gotohs, or OFRs, or ZRs like me, or Edge Pro's. My comment was directed at the attitude that 'whatever vai uses is best', and the use of that as some kind of 'evidence' that everything else is inferior, which is irritatingly common here and elsewhere.

[Homebake]

lol, my intention was not even to say "because vai and satch use the edge's and lo pro's they must be the best", i was just found it amusing that the guy in the video gave the impression that edge's and lo pro's on RG's were complete crap. which they obviously are not, i'm sure anyone who has a true dislike for the edge/lo pro on a guitar either didn't have it set up properly or had a malfunctioning unit.

[Rich]

GB, you misread what Homebake said, and Homebake misread what the video guy said. He didn't say anything derrogatory about Ibanez Edge etc, he said they were excellent but not quite as good, which only showed he actually had the preference for the OFR he was spouting about and that his whole review was biased that way anyway.

[AxeHappy]

Actually he said the Original Edge he had on one of his guitars was a, "diaster," and to make sure you get an Edge Pro.