Neck interchangeability?

Fosse Fox · #1 03-01-2006, 09:24 AM

AANJs?.....they all the same size at the neck joint....wil an RG Wizard II fit an S470?

Sean

lyconxero · #2 03-01-2006, 10:27 AM

I believe that an RG neck would physically fit on an S series guitar with an AANJ but the guitar wouldn't properly intonate because it's not designed for a 24 fret neck.

Fosse Fox · #3 03-01-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lyconxero

I believe that an RG neck would physically fit on an S series guitar with an AANJ but the guitar wouldn't properly intonate because it's not designed for a 24 fret neck.

Thats a very good point, although I'm not sure whether that is the case, If as I think the nck to be the length between the bridge saddles and the nut is the same, tuning on open strings should be ok, and intonation at fret 12 should be achieavble also, but I'm not totally sure whether the length of the extra 2 frets is added at fret 22 or if its spread elsewhere....hop that makes sense

Sean

Chroma · #4 03-01-2006, 10:50 AM

The difference between a 22 and 24 fret Ibanez neck is that the two extra frets are added on to body end of the neck, squeezing the pickups closer together. What I mean is that the neck is actually set deeper/closer to the bridge on a 24fret guitar than it is on a 22fret guitar. The distance from the bridge to the nut is probably the same scale length on both necks with the correct body.

I hope that makes sense. Long and short, a 24 fret neck will not intonate correctly on a body designed for a 22 fret neck.

Fosse Fox · #5 03-01-2006, 10:56 AM

Answered my own question again. My thinking was right, the length from bridge to nut remains the same, the extra 2 frets gon down towards the bridge...BUT, the neck pickup is in the way

So thats a no no then, part of the reason why a lot of players prefer 22 fret necks apparently is to keep the neck pups where it is and closer to the harmonics. also in an HSH guitar moving the neck pup closer to the middle single coil is not good

Sean

lyconxero · #6 03-01-2006, 07:36 PM

That may be true but I still LOVE a guitar with 24 frets...preferably with just dual humbuckers since a middle single coil just gets in the way for me.

Fosse Fox · #7 03-02-2006, 05:36 AM

We're all wrong, just spoke to a dude at a specialist and he says there is no issue with fitting a 24 fret neck! There is no fretboard overhang at the body end, the distance between the bridge and nut is longer, and the intonation is not a problem either.
He put it to me like this........the bodies are wood, they have the same vibrato unit, the only difference is the neck length.....he did point out tho that it does take the harmonics away from the neck pup

Cozi101 · #8 03-02-2006, 07:52 AM

Wouldn't overhang be good? That mean's the pocket would be in the same place?
Either way, you just can't put a 24 fret neck on a guitar that orignally had 22 without alot of mods, you'll have a longer scale and intonation problems no?

toshiro · #9 03-02-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fosse Fox

We're all wrong, just spoke to a dude at a specialist and he says there is no issue with fitting a 24 fret neck! There is no fretboard overhang at the body end, the distance between the bridge and nut is longer, and the intonation is not a problem either.
He put it to me like this........the bodies are wood, they have the same vibrato unit, the only difference is the neck length.....he did point out tho that it does take the harmonics away from the neck pup

He's full of it. If you put a 24 fret AANJ neck on a body made for a 22 fret AANJ neck your bridge will be outside the intonation range by probably over an inch.

If you got a neck like what Warmoth sells, where the 23rd and 24th frets are an overhang, and removed the neck pickup, that would work.

nickcoumbe · #10 03-02-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fosse Fox

We're all wrong, just spoke to a dude at a specialist and he says there is no issue with fitting a 24 fret neck! There is no fretboard overhang at the body end, the distance between the bridge and nut is longer, and the intonation is not a problem either.
He put it to me like this........the bodies are wood, they have the same vibrato unit, the only difference is the neck length.....he did point out tho that it does take the harmonics away from the neck pup

Be careful. I think your specialist may be wrong, or at least comparing eggs with apples.

aanj necks (24 frets at any rate) don't have an overhang, so the body would need to be routed, and possibly the pick up moved. The old square block joints used to have an overhang, these will not fit directly into an aanj body.

If you fit an Ibanez 24 fret aanj neck, into an ibanez 22 fret aanj body (assuming that both have no board overhang) without routing then it wont fit. In this circumstance a 24 fret neck will give you an extra couple of inches of scale length, and I suspect that none of the notes will intonate correctly. You are effectively seating the 24th fret at the position of the 22nd, without changing the fret spacing. I have seen a similar mistake with calculating scale length, and it ended up with all the harmonics being a fret too high.

You may get away with this if your neck has an overhang of 2 frets, any minor change may be able to corrected with intonation

The trem type does make a difference in that the studs need to be mounted at different distances. This may differ by about 1/8th of an inch at the maximum for the common floyd rose types. So if they are the same bridge, that at least will not be a concern.

nickcoumbe · #11 03-02-2006, 12:28 PM

Sorry to repeat you Toshiro, but it's nice to know that I am on the right lines. Must remember not to spend 3 hours composing replies in future.

ryanb · #12 03-02-2006, 09:08 PM

I suggest you avoid future advise from your "specialist", because he doesn't have any idea what he is doing.

Fosse Fox · #13 03-02-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanb

I suggest you avoid future advise from your "specialist", because he doesn't have any idea what he is doing.

Hehe, hes not mine, but supposedly an Ibanez specialist although interestingly a seller of used Ibanez necks

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Anyway, the consensus is 22 good 24 bad......custom neck build time.

cheers

Sean

nickcoumbe · #14 03-03-2006, 05:53 AM

Sean,

Do you have a neck already, or just a body?

If you have the neck a body is going to be cheaper to build than a neck. I am building an rg copy from scratch and they both take time, but the neck probably is the trickier and more time consuming.

If you want a 24 fret wizard neck, then maybe it would be cheaper to go for a 2nd hand rg.

lyconxero · #15 03-03-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nickcoumbe

Sean,

Do you have a neck already, or just a body?

If you have the neck a body is going to be cheaper to build than a neck. I am building an rg copy from scratch and they both take time, but the neck probably is the trickier and more time consuming.

If you want a 24 fret wizard neck, then maybe it would be cheaper to go for a 2nd hand rg.

Agreed. The neck is the hardest thing to get made exactly how you want. So if you acquire the neck that you want then getting a custom body built would be the easiest route to go. If you're still wanting a floating trem then just make sure that they route the body properly for that when they make it.