Neck shim (again) - typo or am I just stupid

[SalemB]

I am playing around with neck shims and read the following on the tech pages:

Bridge sits too high off the body to eliminate buzzing - increase the neck angle by shimming the headstock side of the neck joint. Reattach the neck and lower the bridge to test
Bridge sits too low into the body to get good action - decrease the neck angle by shimming the neck side of the neck joint. Reattach the neck and raise the bridge to test

The first sentence is talking about the headstock side and the second sentence about the neck side. Ain't *those both the same side? Should neck side be replaced with body side in the second sentence?

[jemsite]

Good eye. Yes, i'll fix that ASAP.

[SalemB]

whoops, spotted another one in the same section:

Ibanez shims most of their necks with a thin piece cardboard (about the thickness of a business card, 1/2 inch long, almost as wide as the fretboard) inserted on the body side of the neck joint.

and then in the cyan field

Ibanez default is a thin shim on the neck side of the neck joint.

Does Ibanez ship with a shim on the neck or the body side?

ok, I'll stop now

[jemsite]

No clue. Often there is no shim, often it's at the body-side. Haven't sampled enough to make an accurate analysis. Don't worry about what ibanez does, worry about getting the proper setup for the axe in your posession ...glen

[low iq 88]

ok, i read the thread about what to use for a shim......now, if i have a guitar that has too high action on 10-24 frets (even after a fret level), with the bridge as low as is can go to avoid fret choke at all frets, where EXACTLY do I postion the shim?

[Rich]

If the trem's as low as it will go without choking the strings then it's as low as it should go. A neck ship is for when the trem needs to go lower and the trem psots are bottoming out in the anchors. How high is the action bass and trebble sides? (at the 24th)

[low iq 88]

thanks rich, i would answer your question, but at the moment i do not have anything to accurately measure....currenlty i would say it is slightly lower than the way it came stock (what *is recommended in the pamphlet), so I am not complaining i am just a little obsessed in creating the perfect setup (lowest action possible on all areas of the neck while maintaining sufficient tone).....the way I look at it is, if the ultimate setup can clean up your technique (finger now not accidentally hitting strings causing shhhhh or now so it's that much easier to burn) while rippin' just one small bit, it is worth every *effort to obtain it......my technique is decent enough imho, but can definitely not be hurt by having an even better setup...i fully understand your reply, and now I know a shim is definitely not necessary in my case...this site rocks!

[Rich]

The lowest action possible sure isn't the best way to go unless your technique is impecible. It's tough to mute strings when they're already laying on the frets!!! :biggrin:

[low iq 88]

i hear ya! - i am just trying to get mine setup as close as possible to the way recommended by Joe's Shop at satriani.com ....it states "Low and even, that's how Joe likes his string height. The measurement from the top of the 12th fret to the bottom of each string is just over 2/64""

[Vaibanez]

Quote: from low iq 88 on 2:58 am on July 9, 2001
The measurement from the top of the 12th fret to the bottom of each string is just over 2/64""

So.....that's like 1/32"? :biggrin:

I set my guitar's action with the 1.5mm allen wrench at the 24th fret. Then I set my trem angle, reset the action, angle, action, yadayadayada. Once that's done, about a half hour, I can dink with setting the neck. I use a medium/thick (.88mm) pick for neck relief. Then I go back and set the action until the low E string buzzes ever so slightly, and the high E is clean all the way up the neck.

By this time, it's time to change strings again and I'm back at it....:biggrin:

J>

[Anonymous]

hahaha.....so true....makes me want to do my best pete townshend.....but I don't have the balls.