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Old 10-13-2003, 05:46 PM
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pic requast bridge setup and string height


ok so im trying to set up my jem (vwh) and i dont know anything about setup
i have few buzzing frets in primery places and its very annoying

it would help me alot if you could post close up pics on the brigde
from the back so i can see the edge again the pickgard and see the height

also please post a profile on the neck so i can see the string's height

ill post example pics if u dont understand what i want
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Old 10-13-2003, 05:49 PM
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Howdy,

You'll find tons of good info and pics at our very own Rich Harris' site:

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech.htm

Enjoy and good luck!

Best Regards,

Mike.
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Old 10-13-2003, 05:59 PM
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thanx man
i'd still like to see more guitars
here is mine





does it look ok?

i have buzzing at the 12th and the 18th frets
it takes alot of height to make it disappear but i dont wanna have very high strings
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Old 10-13-2003, 08:04 PM
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Ur bridge is too low dude! that explains the buzzing!
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Old 10-14-2003, 04:56 PM
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so how high should be?
same level as the pic gaurd?

can u post pics?

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Old 10-14-2003, 04:58 PM
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You do NOT set action by where the bridge is relative to anything, the only thing that matters is where the strings are relative to the frets.
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Old 10-14-2003, 07:19 PM
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yea i know that now :P (after trying)

so how low should i be able to put the string before it suppose to buzz?
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Old 10-14-2003, 09:48 PM
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That depends alot on you

I already wrote a bunch on this,
http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech.htm#Action
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Old 10-15-2003, 07:54 AM
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There's a stray electron on the low-E. I don't need a microscope.

Man those are great close-ups.

The action looks EXTREMELY low to me. I tried to get my strings that low, but I didn't like the feel of it.
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Old 10-15-2003, 09:00 AM
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Man, I hate low action. I just don't get why everyone is so worried about getting their strings 1 nanometer away from the frets... Tone suffers so much and you practically can't touch the strings without fretting them.

ANyway, just personal opinion.
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Old 10-15-2003, 09:51 AM
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I completely agree. Even without buzz, I didn't like the feeling of ultra-low action, which I tried on my new guitar because everyone seemed to have a "low" is good opinion. I'm now 1.8 to 2.0 mm away from the 24th fret. Completely happy.

Just have to work on my talent.
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Old 10-15-2003, 01:40 PM
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Damn, I just looked at the pic and yes, that action looks insanely low.

With my now heavy right handed playing I'd buzz all over that neck, not just a couple of frets. And I'm sure bending strings on that thing has some choking, even if it has perfectly level frets.

I used to like crazy-low action like that, because of the problems with my left arm but got away from it when I was very young to playing. Once I started working on guitars for a "real" musician and heard how much better a properly set up guitar sounds I lived with the pain and never looked back.

Recently I've even raised my action even farther, not as high as Steve's action, but not as low as a lot of guys here have theirs set up.

As Rich pointed out he's already written about it, and there's plenty in the "Tech" section here on Jemsite as well, but I'll give you some measurements here as a starting point if you're too lazy to look for it yourself. ;-)

Most of us don't really measure any more, just use our ears and feel, but here it is anyway.

This is, from my understanding, what Ibanez suggests for proper set up. Most go a little lower on the action, but YMMV.

First off, check the neck relief, fret the low E string at the first and last frets (use a clamp or capo for the first fret) and using a feeler gage check the gap between the bottom of the string and the top of the ninth fret.
You should have a gap of about .4 to .5 mm (.015 to .2 inches)

Take the capo (or clamp) OFF at this point. :-)

The action at the 12th fret should be 1.5 mm (1/16th inch) for the high E and 2.0 mm (5/64th inch) on the low E, measured from the top of the 12th fret to the bottom of the string.

Most of us feel that measuring at the 12th is kind of wrong, since this assumes that all necks are the same, but that's the way most luthiers have done it for God only knows how many centuries. :-) But I digress . . .

Next you can check the nut height. Most Ibanez guitars come with the nut just a little too high, but usually it's an easy fix as they use shims under the nut to raise it.


The nut can go as low as possible, as long as the open strings don't buzz on the first fret. I usually eye-ball this, fret at the first fret, see how much clearance there is. Now look at the open string from the nut over the first fret. Is it about the same? Good, you're done, if it's too high GO TO RICH'S SITE and read his instructions there.

I'm not typing all that. LOL :P

Personally I go with a fairly high (compared to other’s) action these days.

.4 mm on the relief (neck bow), about 2 mm on the high E (12th fret, about 2.1 at the 24th) and 2.5 mm on the low E (12th fret, about 2.7 at the 24th)

While still not VERY high, I could go lower but I love the tone, and the feel is much better. I feel like I’m playing something instead of sticking my fingers in jelly.

Now I just have to get used to soaking this damned arm after playing a couple of hours every day. (If you’re interested in why, find the topic that asks how you got started playing guitar. If not, who cares? LOL JUST KIDDING!)

Mic
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Old 10-16-2003, 07:19 PM
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lo there..

I dont normally do this but id rather do it than waste more space with another thread.

I noticed someone mentioned the guys trem on his JEM was way to low. Well ive just got an RG 450 with a TRS and i striped it all down to clean it and i began putting it all back together and i came into a problem. Baically i blocked the bridge off when the angle was right, then restrung and tuned it, the thing is the tuning is crap (bear in mind there old string-im using them as i cant get to the shop atm and i want to try the RG out), and also the bridge was quite high, well i thought so, so i lowered it, but it think its causing a lot of the buzz. The thing is i dont know what height a TRS should be at, anyone have any suggestions?

cheers-sorry for butting in on your thread dude
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Old 10-16-2003, 08:58 PM
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Setup is basically the same. You don't go by where the bridge is, but how far the strings are off the frets.

Your main concern with the bridge should be the angle, check this before and after you set the action.

ALL FR type bridges are basically the same when it comes to setting them up. The only ones that are different are the FR Speed-Loader, and the new Ibanez bridges, but except for the new FR S-L, even the these are basically the same as any other FR type.

Again, I'm going to suggest you search this forum, check out Rich's site (swirly banner at the top of the page) and do a general search of the Internet. There is plenty of information already out there.

Also try www.ibanez.com , they have scans of the manuals there and the basic setup for all the different models is covered in one or more of the manuals.

Did you re-stretch the strings after you tuned up? Even old strings, once unlocked and slacked need a little bit of re-stretching.

Mic

Edited to make link click-able.
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Old 10-21-2003, 06:40 PM
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hey thanx peeps for the help
MicJustMic
that helps alot, thanx man

my strings arent really that low
its just a weird pic

i think my settings are pretty close to yours

im not sure but i think i have bad fret, guess i take it to someone pro



(sorry it took me lont to reply, i was on vacation)

cheers
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