Questions about setting up my Edge Pro trem

[billyboy]

OK...I have read Rich's instructions and the ones on this site...several times. Very helpful reading!

I really do appreciate all the help with the information...thank you guys for posting that!

But...and maybe I am misreading things...both sets of instructions mention that I needed to set the trem angle first...then the height. I did just that...the trem angle was off by just a little but so I was very careful in screwing in the claw screws to get things even. tuned to pitch of course. Then I tried to find the locking insert of the stud using a 1.5mm allan wrench...but couldn't find it for some reason...hmn...the edge pro's don't have em...

ok...so once I lowered the bridge, I noticed the trem angle had to be adjusted again...I pretty much had to back out the screw claws probably the same amount I screwed in to straighten the trem angle before I lowered the bridge.

Seems that I would have been better off lowering the bridge, tune to pitch, then adjust the trem angle? Can you guys explain?

Also...anyone have any tips for setting the intonation on the edge pro tem's? Since there are no tools available (edgeadjust) it sounds like I will have to let out all the slack in the string (one sting at a time of course) and move the saddles per needed. Once I get one done...will I have to re-adjust that sting after I get the next one...or the rest of the stings? If so...do you have to do that even on the older trems when you have the tools?

Just trying to get a jump on it before I start setting this up. I am still dialing in the guitar so I will have a few more days before I set the intonation.

Thanks for all the help!

[AdarkA]

I set my intonation by slackening the string with the intonation thats out, undo the screw holding the saddle then move it either forward or backward depending if the note at the 12th fret is sharp or flat, (forward for flat notes, and away from neck for sharp notes.)

I think rich has actually made a intonation tool, i'd like to get my hands on one if he ever starts mass producing them and sells them :-)

[Rich]

Misread.

ADJUSTING

Before you begin you must make sure the trem is set to the height you want (height of the trem determines the height of the action). You can make very small height adjustments and they won't have any effect on the angle but large adjustments will. Height changes affect tension and will change the angle. If the action is way too high or too low set the height before the angle by manually setting the angle using the bar while checking the height of the action, adjust, then manually adjust the angle again (using the bar) till the action height is close. Otherwise you will set the angle to perfect, have to change the action height, which will change the angle again. Now you are ready to set the angle.

[billyboy]

Originally Posted by AdarkA

I set my intonation by slackening the string with the intonation thats out, undo the screw holding the saddle then move it either forward or backward depending if the note at the 12th fret is sharp or flat, (forward for flat notes, and away from neck for sharp notes.)

I think rich has actually made a intonation tool, i'd like to get my hands on one if he ever starts mass producing them and sells them :-)

OK...that's what I figured...but once you performed that on one string, and go to the next, will all future adjustments effect the first string? If so...I assume that all other saddle adjustments will effect each other.

Kind of like tuning...should you move it forward or back (depending if sharp or flat) a little more so that the next saddle movent will offset?

I would have to imagine that this is the case...and that the adjust tool only makes for quicker access to saddle adjustments.

Thanks for the help.

[billyboy]

Originally Posted by Rich

Misread.

ADJUSTING

Before you begin you must make sure the trem is set to the height you want (height of the trem determines the height of the action). You can make very small height adjustments and they won't have any effect on the angle but large adjustments will. Height changes affect tension and will change the angle. If the action is way too high or too low set the height before the angle by manually setting the angle using the bar while checking the height of the action, adjust, then manually adjust the angle again (using the bar) till the action height is close. Otherwise you will set the angle to perfect, have to change the action height, which will change the angle again. Now you are ready to set the angle.

OK...I see...thanks Rich...yours makes perfect sense.

I guess it's this site's instructions that are the ones that confused me...
http://www.jemsite.com/tech/1setup.htm#step1

Step 1: Bridge Floating Tremolo Angle
Summary - Step 1
Before going any further in regard to setting up a JEM/UV, ensure that the tremolo angle is near perfect. Only when the tremolo angle is approximately correct can we work on action

Step 2: Tremolo Bridge Height

Once you have the tremolo angle set you can start to nail down the action of frets 10-24 via the bridge height.


Seems to me that these two instructions contradict themselves. I think the one on Ibanezrules is the correct one.

Thanks.

Bill

[ryanb]

Those don't really contradict each other. Read Rich's response again. He notes adjusting the angle manually with the bar while adjusting action. If the angle is far off when you set the height, the height will be different than what you wanted when you eventually get the trem level. So do what Rich said: set the height using the bar to make sure that it is at the right height when the trem is level. Then you can make the actual trem levelling adjustments with the springs.

There is no intonation tool for the Edge Pro (and if Rich has made one, he is hiding it from us and denying it). But he also gives a trick for that. Clamp the bar down to the body to slacken the strings, make the intonation adjustment, and let go of the bar. It's a lot faster than unwinding/winding the tuner.

Also, as you noticed, the Edge Pro doesn't have locking studs. See the millions of threads on that topic, and go back to Rich for that fix too if you feel the need.

[Rich]

I don't have a tool. And I can't get enough super studs to sell any. The batches are mixed and only about 65% of what I get are good.

[billyboy]

Originally Posted by ryanb

Those don't really contradict each other. Read Rich's response again. He notes adjusting the angle manually with the bar while adjusting action. If the angle is far off when you set the height, the height will be different than what you wanted when you eventually get the trem level. So do what Rich said: set the height using the bar to make sure that it is at the right height when the trem is level. Then you can make the actual trem levelling adjustments with the springs.

There is no intonation tool for the Edge Pro (and if Rich has made one, he is hiding it from us and denying it). But he also gives a trick for that. Clamp the bar down to the body to slacken the strings, make the intonation adjustment, and let go of the bar. It's a lot faster than unwinding/winding the tuner.

Also, as you noticed, the Edge Pro doesn't have locking studs. See the millions of threads on that topic, and go back to Rich for that fix too if you feel the need.

Sure they do...Rich's instructions are not the same. The Jemsite's instructions clearly point you to set the trem angle first...then adjust the height.

Rich's instructions tell you to bend the bar down but you have to clearly adjust the height first...THEN check the height it via bending the bar.

For me...it is too difficult to tell if I am really happy with how the guitar will play if I have to hold the bar to make the trem angle flat. I am sure it is just a guide to get a feel of what the action will feel like.

As for the trem tool...do you guys think the tremol-no would help set the intonation on the Edge Pro...or any floating bridge?
http://www.tremol-no.com/