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Old 11-21-2007, 02:21 PM
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Square neck joint on aanj body


I searched the forum here but didn't find a direct answer. I have a 2000 model saber and want a neck from warmoth. i would like to know exactly what i need to know to get the neck to fit...

btw it will be all maple with 24 jumbo fret (it overhangs, so not a problem) and i will also be getting the 24 3/4 scale conversion length, which should work on my 25" scale body w/o modding.

i will tell them to leave out the bolt holes on the heel...
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:52 PM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


You can't put a 24 fret neck on a saber period. If the scale of the body didn't accomodate 24 frets then it's not possible because you would have to reposition the tremolo in order for the guitar to be able to intonate.

Jimmy
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:06 PM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


If it overhangs in the way that the 22nd fret of the 24 fret neck is in the same position as on the 22 fret neck, I don't see why it wouldn't work...

Although, that would cause a problem with the neck pickup.. in the way that you wouldn't be able to have one. Unless of course you put a single coil or hotrails into the side nearest the bridge. Either way, you would be left with a big hole there.

Maybe you should wait and see whats released at this year's NAMM?

EDIT: I just read the title. No, that won't work! A better option would be finding an AANJ neck and adding a 2 fret extention to it.

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Old 11-21-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


i have heard that some people have gotten the square necks to fit the aanj pockets. also with the overhang it will not change intonation. i may not get the short scale conversion however, it looks like they dont have the 24 fret option on the short scale, also i dont want to have to file my own wizard contour...where would one get a 2 fret extension?

ps i was planning on putting a danelectro style lipstick pickup in the neck to make room, and a p90 in the bridge...
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


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You can't put a 24 fret neck on a saber period. If the scale of the body didn't accomodate 24 frets then it's not possible because you would have to reposition the tremolo in order for the guitar to be able to intonate.

Jimmy
Thats close but not exactly true.... but it is indeed a lot of work If I ever get my camera back I'll be able to post pictures of a Saber I just did with a 24 fret neck. I have not painted it yet but otherwise it's done. I took 48 pictures of the project in various stages with that antique stuff called film... I let someone borrow my digital camera for a day or two & have not seen it since... I think that was around 4th of July

The one thing I see as being a problem is changing the scale length. Personally I wouldnt mess with that.

There is a way to do this uing Ibanez parts using an early square heel RG neck... so you'll have a real Wizard profile instead of a close approximation to it.



With the RG neck:

The scale length is the same. There is no issue there.

What will be a problem however you decide to do it is the neck pickup, either a single coil or humbucker will have to be relocated. as frets 23 & 24 will be where your neck pickup currently resides.

I used an early square heel 89' RG neck with the overhang. The actual heel on these necks are the same (except for the depth) as the S's & even traditional Stratocasters . In addition to moving the neck pickup this method also requires routng the top of the saber body in the same way as the early RGs were done.... which also means a complete refin is needed unless youre amazingly lucky or good . It's hard to tell on an RG without seeing one with the neck off but the overhanging portion of the fretboard is recessed into the RG body. I chose to do it this way for several reasons.

Personally I prefer the layout of this method over the way Shred Alamode's was done. It keeps the overall balance of the guitar the same as a 22 fret S as well as where my right hand lays over the bridge etc. Moving the bridge etc the 20mm or so required to do it the other way is just not comfortable to me... Of course thats just my preference though. People also often mention issues with the tone of the neck pickup being moved back as opposed to moving everything else foward but in my experience it changes either way & that it is the pickups relation to where it is over the scale length that is more responsible for it's tone than where it is on the body. To experiment with this theory you can hook up a pickup wth some clip leads & hold it over the guitar (not installing it) & if you position it over the typical pup locations you will here the tone changes you would expect without the pickup even being installed in the guitar.

It is a lot easier to move a neck pickup than moving everything else.

Edit: Also using the square heel neck on the AANJ body you will also need to drill new holes.. but that is one of the easier tasks in a project like this.

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Old 11-21-2007, 04:16 PM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


you could buy a VIP or Soloist body from Warmoth and get close to the Saber shape and then put a 24 fret neck on it.

or you could try and buy a guitar from here http://homepage.mac.com/bigvelvetdog/home.html and see what catches your eye.
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:14 AM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


540s: do you have any pics of your project?

i would get a whole new guitar, but i am severely attached to my s body and couldn't afford getting a new body, hardware, etc. anyway. i give guitar lessons for a living, not real loaded lol
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:25 AM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


I am pretty sure Warmoth will do a fingerboard extension - it's somewhere in the "neck options" section. I'd definitely stick to a 25.5" scale length though - short scale is for girlies.
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Old 11-22-2007, 02:26 AM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


looks like i might not get the scale conversion part...24 frets and wizard profile aren't offered with it...boo...
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Old 11-25-2007, 02:01 AM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


i sent a message to that bigvelvetdog guy a few days ago about making me a neck, but no reply yet...
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:46 AM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


still no reply...any other reccomendations for other luthiers who could pull off what im wanting?
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:51 AM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


Wait! Ibanez is releasing a 24 fret Saber very soon!!!
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:28 AM
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Re: Square neck joint on aanj body


thanks, i have seen it already though. i also want maple fretboard and short scale conversion (24 3/4)
it can be done if i can find a luthier who is willing to do something besides make the same old neck out of different wood and put different inlays in...
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