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Old 06-05-2001, 07:57 AM
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String tension and action - The infinte quest....


I've been to a friend of mine yesterday and played his stratocaster. The first thing i noticed was the string tension...... the strings were WAY looser than on mine 77FP. I've always thought about this problem.... i'm not saying that i don't like the tension on my guitar... but i want tro try something different. So, is there any way to reduce the tension of the strings (without changing gauge off course)? I think i would like looser strings....
And also.... i've tried a JS a couple of weeks ago. I noticed that the string are at the same level all over the fretboard.... in other words the action is always the same... it doesn't get higher as you go towards the end of the freatboard. I read on Joe's site that he wants his guitars to be set that way.... and i was wondering, is there any way to get this on a Jem?
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Old 06-05-2001, 01:46 PM
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String tension and action


A lot of the tension has to do with the scale of the neck. I am no expert and I KNOW some of these other guys can go into much deeper detail but here's the difference between the Str@t you played and your JEM: The Str@t has 22 frets whereas the JEM has 24. That doesn't sound like much but it does make a difference. I know Glen, BammBamm, Ripl3y or any of the other experts on here can tell you exactly what that difference means and break it down for you.

As far as the action question: Well, theoretically it's possible but remember that Satch has a guitar tech on the payroll who is able to adjust Joe's axes daily if need be. I think it's everyone's dream to have action like that but being a mere mortal myself I have never owned a guitar that achieved that goal.

Goodluck man, and I hope one of these other guys can help you more ...

LJ
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Old 06-05-2001, 08:04 PM
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A 22 fret Strat and 24 fret Jem both have a 25.5" scale. *That aside, about the only scale lengths you will see on most guitars are the 25.5" and the 24.75". *I for one cannot tell a huge difference in the tensions on these guitars.

Let me go on to say that I have played guitars with a 25.5" scale that have a way looser feel than some with a 24.75" scale. *And yes, there is a reason.

I'll start off by making this statement -- The guitars that play and sound the best are ones that are literally about to explode, but are built so that they are just strong enough not to give. *This is more true on acoustic, but I will show how it also pertains to electric.

Acoustic guitars often get a nice hump right behind the bridge from string tension. *This means that the top is not strong enough to keep the strings from messing with its integrity. *Of course, if the top was too weak, then the wood would just explode and the guitar would be ruined. *Also, the "flimsiness" of the neck determines how much the string tension pulls the neck forward. *The compensation, of course, is the truss rod. *But in general, a thinner neck will "play" better because the string tension can influence the wood a bit more.

Two of the exact same guitar won't feel the same. *Even if the strings and setup are exactly the same, there are factors in the guitar's composition that will add up for a different tension feel. *On your electric guitar, especially ones with the floating tremelo, the acoustic "pull up behind the bridge" is simulated because the strings pull the bridge up. *The counterforce are the tremelo springs holding the trem down. *So here is one thing you can try changing.

A friend of mine has a 79 Strat with the tremelo springs (3 springs, arrow arrangement) fully stretched out, and it has been like this for years. *His guitar has the least tension for 10 guage strings I have ever felt (and the lowest action with no buzzing). *Among other things, I believe it is the springs being stretched out and losing their "springiness" that contributes to the guitar playing so well. *Remember in physics...if you stretch out a spring and leave it in that position for a long time, the spring will remember that position and not return to its original state.

Also consider your truss rod. *From my personal experiences, a loose truss creates a better playing guitar. *Why? *Because the strings have more of a tendency to pull the neck forward. *However, the truss rod isn't there for playability, it is there to fix problems with the neck bowing. *Perhaps you find a guitar with a loose truss and perfect neck position at the same time? *I bet that is a neck that would play well.

Something else that contributes to the "perceived" tension differences are the break angles over the nut and saddles. *Now I have read where people on this forum talk about their Edge tremelos, and how they need them to be *almost parallel* to the guitar body to obtain the optimum feel. *While I can't give you an answer as to which break angles make the guitar feel looser, you can ask the people here in the forum that have done this trick with their tremelo time and time again.

Two lesser points: *If your frets are dirty, grimy, rusted (yikes), etc., then it is going feel tight and hard to play. *You want those frets super smooth in order to feel the best.

Also, the materials that a string is made out of and how it is made can greatly affect the tension...but since most strings are made nearly the same for guitar, you probably won't notice a big difference from brand to brand. *I remember reading on the D'Addario site that their strings are made to slightly ease the tension for the lower strings (the wrapped strings are the only difference since all manufactured plain, unwound strings are virtually identicle).


As far as action goes, there is more of a science to that. *You just need frets that are level, the correct neck relief, and the correct neck angle.

I hope this helps some.
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Old 06-06-2001, 02:05 AM
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I have a theory, maybe someone can help me out here.

I have included a graphic I threw together. *It's huge though, 900k or so, so if someone else can do a smaller one, please do so. *I dont want to suck up all the Webspace on the forum. *The graphic is too simple to be that huge.



The blue represents the trem posts. *The Red represents the string angle to the body and the arc represents the travel of the string as the whammy bar is used to drop and raise the pitch. *
My thought is this. *On picture A you see that a flat tremolo has equal tension whether being raised or lowered and it can wobble easily either way.
On picture B you can see that a tremolo setup so that it is slightly raised actually requires more effort to pull down since the string actually gets stretched further than where it is at.
Thoughts? *Devils advocate? *
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Old 06-06-2001, 09:23 AM
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String tension and action


Well, I did say I was no expert :laugh:

LJ
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Old 06-16-2001, 02:56 PM
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String tension and action


Thank you very much for your help!.... i will have my final school examination next week so i don't have the time to exepriment with my guitar at the moment.... I will try out your suggestions as soon as possible!
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:40 PM
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Re: String tension and action - The infinte quest....


Actually Ibanez guitars are generally ways lighter than BEST strat to play. esp when it comes to bending, that's because of the locking nuts that preceed the headstock. Must be the setup or your string gauges, bring your guitar into a goodshop, really, and lube the right parts of hardware.
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:41 PM
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Re: String tension and action - The infinte quest....


I have two strats at home, and a les paul, btw.

24.75 scale 's best plus point for me is much less string breakage. They seem to just last forever, esp. the high 009 E string
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Old 05-28-2008, 04:12 AM
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Re: String tension and action - The infinte quest....


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Originally Posted by dreamyreality View Post
bring your guitar into a goodshop, really, and lube the right parts of hardware.
you're answering a 7 years old question...
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Old 05-29-2008, 01:09 AM
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Re: String tension and action - The infinte quest....


that was an interesting long post
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Old 05-29-2008, 02:04 AM
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Re: String tension and action - The infinte quest....


It's Indiana Jones digging up a lost artifact! Indiana Jones and the Infinite Quest!
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