Temperature affect tuning?

[BZ Beetle]

Hey guys, just a quick question. I was talking to my tech (the one that setup my RG wrong) and told me, that he had done it right, but that enviornmental issues are the cause of its tuning instability. Basically his story was that the neck is so think on the RG that if i take it home and the air in my room is a little different than outside, or a bit warmer or cooler, it will throw the guitar out of tune. and THATS why my guitar was out of tune by the time i got home. He also attributed this to why every time i retune it it goes right back out of tune. oh, and he made a comment about the "quality issues" with the strings i use. Elixirs have been GREAT to me and at 12 bucks a set they should be can this reasoning of his hold any water?

im going to get my tuner back tomorrow and readjust the trem angle, and then if it still wont stay in tune im mailing the damn thing out to one of you who know what youre doing. *grumbles*

[kirk]

I think that there is something to be said for the environmental issues that your tech is talking about.

It is possible; I mean the guitar is nothing more than wood and metal, both of which react to their environment (both wood and metal will expand and contract.) Not to mention the fact that your strings still may be stretching - that is if they've only been on the guitar for a short period of time.

[BZ Beetle]

the strings have been on since the setup, errrr like 2 or 3 weeks old now at least. My other guitars definitely need a minor tune up when its exceptionally warm or exceptionally cold. thats nothing new. but to tell me that thats the reason that me pitch ALWAYS pulls sharp....im sure there is somthing to be said for environmental issues, but i just feel like he was feeding me BS

[caprile]

check all the steps in the tech section of ibanez rules.

[Rich]

Odd how I can ship a guitar halfway around the world and it'll arrive in tune

[sniperfrommars1]

The only time Ive seen the neck shift like that was on instruments where the trussrod was loose and wasnt holding the neck in place. Even then, the guitar should come back to pitch when you pull up or push down on the bar. The same pitch anyways. Take it to someone else hes full of it

[BZ Beetle]

if the trem angle is slightly off, but the nut is locked tight, will it go out of tune? the more I look it over the more im beginning to think the nut pads (sounds like somthing you would find next to athletic supporters lol) might be worn just enough to allow some slippage. but why would the guitar go sharp? im so confused. yeah, with the exception of the trem angle being slightly off the guitar should be fine. the tech checked everything else, but we know how good he is :\

[sniperfrommars1]

Usually not. If you have another floyd equipped guitar just move em around. Ive never actually seen the pads slip when tightened down properly, maybe rich has (rich has more guitar "war stories" than anyone) but I wouldnt worry about them. As rich has said it may be the knife edges, and I have seen springs freak out where they wont hold tune properly. Leave it alone for a few days, and set the trem to exactly floating. Its not too difficult if you have a tuner. Plus youll save cash on a setup

[Rich]

I've only had one guitar with a high E that slipped a little due to a worn pad, the guitar had over a zillion miles on it so it wasn't unexpected. On the other hand I have had plenty of "dead" springs create problems which as soon as I replaced with new springs, problem gone.

[BZ Beetle]

Well, last night I sat down for about an hour and finally got the trem angle as close to perfect as humanly possible. im sure if you got some lazer cut straight edges it would be a fraction of a wee bit of a degree off, but its right there

locked the nut down good and tight, and made sure the nut itself was snug to the neck, made sure the saddle screws were tight (before hand) and then let her rip. I played for about a half hour (just playing, no whammying at all) and then checked the guitar on a tuner. fell about umm sheesh.....it fell flat...on my korg CA-20 tuner almost to the half way mark left of center. If you looked at the tuner screen like it was a fuel gauge, i would have a little over 1/4 tank. get it? lol

anyways, is there anything else I can check? im going to go right now actually to make sure the post locks are tight and that the neck screws are tight. Either im missing somthing, or falling sharp that much is considered perfectly normal. either way lol

[sniperfrommars1]

hmmm
What kind of strings are you using? How tight is the nut? Tighten it up a little bit but no too much you dont want it to crack

[mike777]

On another note, peoplle that live in more humid (above 50%)environments that frequently have their guitars out of their cases experience frequent shifts in their necks (especially when they're playing beach gigs). I've seen this many times with many different folks.

Also, I wonder if the tech stretched everything out enough before it left the shop. Also, if you've been discouraged to play it since it's been going out, the strings aren't getting a further stretching and the guitar isn't getting broken in. Rich is right though, basically it is possible to get a guitar freshly set up that responds fairly accurately.

Mike 777 Haug

[BZ Beetle]

im playing on elixir 10s tuned to D. and the guitar got lots of use. I would just tune it up before band practice and play on it anyways. it seems to be stable at least for now, i jsut got through having band practice with it and the tuning didnt slip, but its still a little lower than i tuned it to. so as long as it remains stable *shrugs*

[BZ Beetle]

sorry for the double