Why doesn't the Lo-Pro flutter as good as the Edge?

Dee · #1 08-18-2006, 08:26 PM

Question is in the title. I don't understand why the Lo-Pro doesn't flutter as good as the Edge. Can anyone enlighten me?

guitarman13 · #2 08-18-2006, 08:51 PM

Even though I've never played a guitar with an Edge or a Lo-Pro, I'm guessing that the Edge flutters better than the Lo-Pro because of the added weight from the string lock screws. The Edge Pro on my VWH flutters really nicely though. Does anyone know the weight of the lo-pro, edge, and edge pro trems? I'd like to know that.

**jaxadam** · #3 08-18-2006, 10:15 PM

Yeah, I've kinda noticed that too, but I have no idea of how to answer it. I'm here for moral support.

I have an old Charvel that I threw an OFR on, and that sucker flutters like there's no tomorrow. Also, the original Edges flutter pretty good, too, but my Lo pro doesn't quite kick them out as good. And then I've got trems that just straight up don't flutter at all.

So I don't know, but if anyone does, I'd love to know why (eventhough there's probably nothing that can be done about it). I've even tried the whole spring changing thing as well.

john1880 · #4 08-18-2006, 10:34 PM

i think it's because all the weight is in line with the pivoting point(center of gravity if you will), or below it, where as the original edge has some of the weight and mass in line, below AND above the pivoting point. so when it's fluttering, it's the sort of counter-weight working for the edge, but not the lo-pro. but i could be completely wrong.
The best flutter I've ever had was on a OFR...
BTW...i've found that if a floating trem isn't fluttering, it was usually because the trem posts were not level with each other, causing it to "bind".
i have one lo-pro and the flutter isnt too bad. i wont be doing and brad gillis solos with it, but it flutters.

john

**jaxadam** · #5 08-18-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by john1880

The best flutter I've ever had was on a OFR...

john

+1 on that.

All of my guitars with OFRs flutter the best. Schaller or Edge right behind that. Edge Pro is not too bad, either.

Ozzdoc · #6 08-18-2006, 10:44 PM

Yes, I have noticed this as well. The Edge on my 550 has amazing flutter, it goes freakin long and fast for a flutter lol. Where as the Lo-pro is not so much.

Dee · #7 08-18-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxadam

+1 on that.

All of my guitars with OFRs flutter the best. Schaller or Edge right behind that. Edge Pro is not too bad, either.

+2. Nothing flutters like a real Floyd.

eelblack2 · #8 08-19-2006, 01:29 AM

Ive also noticed that with the original edge vs lopro. Im thinking its going to be an original edge on the custom Im working on now.

I think both the center of gravity theory and the matched heights of the post have something to do with it - in addition to the matched sharpness of the knives possibly?

andy7jem · #9 08-19-2006, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dee

+2. Nothing flutters like a real Floyd.

Especially through "real" DiMarzio's

(that IS just a joke BTW, we are here to have fun

)

Ironjose · #10 08-19-2006, 11:41 AM

maybe i´m of date on this one... but correct me or maybe explain what is the flutter? i´ve known the flutter term to be when you hold the trem arm pointing backwards and you give it a little push to enought to make the trem move a little... and the final result is like a cat trying to talk??? is it right?
JJ

Dee · #11 08-19-2006, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by andy7jem

Especially through "real" DiMarzio's

(that IS just a joke BTW, we are here to have fun

)

ROFL!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironjose

maybe i´m of date on this one... but correct me or maybe explain what is the flutter? i´ve known the flutter term to be when you hold the trem arm pointing backwards and you give it a little push to enought to make the trem move a little... and the final result is like a cat trying to talk??? is it right?
JJ

It's like... when you flick the end of the bar so it warbles like crazy.

john1880 · #12 08-19-2006, 03:32 PM

i used to think of flutter as kind of like the effect you get when you talk through a fan.
basically it's the same as hanging a ruler off the edge of a table and flicking it and the momentum just keeps it bouncing back and forth for a little while.
i know what ironjose is talking about, but i don't think that's considered flutter. that's something different. steve vai was the first guy i seen do that one. not sure what that's called. the "vai cat call" maybe?????
so flutter is just the trem bouncing. a good bounce and you know your floating tremolo is well balanced and has healthy pivot points.

john

Tom Gilroy · #13 08-19-2006, 04:29 PM

Position of the fulcrum.

C.Thep · #14 08-19-2006, 04:41 PM

Care to elaborate Mr gilroy?

sniperfrommars1 · #15 08-20-2006, 09:31 PM

A combination of the fulcrum, the different mass, the string lock screws, all contribute. I have several original floyds though and i think they are stiff next to my edges flutter but to each his own.