Ibanez and e bay fakes

Davey · #1 01-25-2006, 04:29 AM

Okay, so I completely understand the reasoning behind Ibanez not wanting to sell necks and bodies seperately (obviously to prevent a load of DIY Jems hitting the market.) But what I want to know is...

Why haven't Ibanez taken on e bay for allowing people to sell these chinese fakes?

Surely they can't be happy because obviously it tarnishes their brand name by having it printed on these pathetic excuses for instuments?

Imagine you were a bit of a newbie to playing the guitar and saw one of these things going for a decent price and thought "Wow, Vai plays one of these things, I'll take it!" Then getting your hands on it and thinking "My Hondo les paul copy blows this thing out of the water..." Ibanez will maybe lose sales because when young Billy grows up and decides he wants a better guitar, he has already decided that Ibanez suck and goes and buys a *gasp* Jackson instead.

So what's the deal? do Ibanez care? or is there something in the works that I don't know about?

fono22 · #2 01-25-2006, 05:59 AM

I want to know as well.... I think these scammers should be stopped from using "Ibanez" and "RG" to market their products. They are very deceiving, especially to Newbies/Intermediates who are buying their first electric guitars.

I would like to see these £1 reserve chinese copies completely banned from auctions (they always have a huge shipping price which is also deceiving). To be honest, I can't afford the guitar I want to buy, so I'm looking for the best deal I can get. However, I would never purchase a Chinese copy because

a) I love the Ibanez band
b) Chinese copies are **** quality
c) The people who make these guitars, don't get paid as much in a year as I do in two weeks.

How about we get some answers and put a stop to this virus harming the guitar market!

kelmaur · #3 01-25-2006, 07:13 AM

I agree....see a petition in the near future for this

Davey · #4 01-25-2006, 08:03 AM

They have also taken to taking pictures of an actual authentic Ibanez, using it for an auction and then sending a fake "Ibanez" to the auction winner. E bay don't help matters by allowing people to actually hide their feedback comments.

markg5150 · #5 01-25-2006, 08:09 AM

I totally agree. Some of these fakes look reasonably similar to the real thing and will quite easily fool beginners. Ibanez & e bay should try and stop these being sold.

However, alot of the fakes look absolutely nothing like the real thing. (eg, the king kong monkey grip 7VWH on the auctions to laugh at thread the other day). To me if somebody is stupid enough to bid on these things then they deserve all they get

jaken777 · #6 01-25-2006, 09:00 AM

This is one of the resones why i hate EVILBAY, i have some young friends that have been fooled by these EVILBAY Seller's & the post's here are spot on when saying young Billy think's all Ibanez guitars suck, some of my friends do think the same way as young Billy! - i pointed out that if you had a good genuine MIJ Ibanez & showed them the diffrance with my guitars-(Genuine of corse!) they would luv an Ibanez guitar, some of these Copys are real crap & sound that way to! what has me F#cked is why dose Ibanez let this happen? -or don't Copy right laws & design rules don't apply for them E Sellers or EVILBAY? hate to think these bastards are devaluing our guitars! IBANEZ must be blind!!! sue the hell out of these fools & EVILBAY for turning a blind eye to them Sellers all in the name of biz profits!- Come On IBANEZ save your future customors> your good Name & Rep is at stake here!

ChopTart · #7 01-25-2006, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jaken777

This is one of the resones why i hate EVILBAY, i have some young friends that have been fooled by these EVILBAY Seller's & the post's here are spot on when saying young Billy think's all Ibanez guitars suck, some of my friends do think the same way as young Billy! - i pointed out that if you had a good genuine MIJ Ibanez & showed them the diffrance with my guitars-(Genuine of corse!) they would luv an Ibanez guitar, some of these Copys are real crap & sound that way to! what has me F#cked is why dose Ibanez let this happen? -or don't Copy right laws & design rules don't apply for them E Sellers or EVILBAY? hate to think these bastards are devaluing our guitars! IBANEZ must be blind!!! sue the hell out of these fools & EVILBAY for turning a blind eye to them Sellers all in the name of biz profits!- Come On IBANEZ save your future customors> your good Name & Rep is at stake here!

I completely agree, and also cannot see why on god's beautiful blue earth Ibanez has done nothing. I hear people all the time flaming Ibanez in favor of (what else?) fender and Gibson, and half the time, It seems like i'm the only one in my school who realizes that the MIJ (and a handful of MIK) Ibanez's play like a dream - you think Ibanez would want to at least make a statement or something.
Rich, can you shed some light on this question?

Davey · #8 01-25-2006, 09:08 AM

There was also the guy on the classifieds not long ago that had one because his girlfriend bought him a fake thinking it was the real thing (which he tried replacing with a real one so as not too hurt her feelings, that was a classy move and I applaud him.)

So it's not just players, but these things are being bought as presents FOR players.

jaken777 · #9 01-25-2006, 09:34 AM

Come On Rich (Please) get on to IBANEZ or our guitars will be worth zero $ if these fools keep doing mock-up Ibanez guitars & that Evilbay Should get a big fat fine in court fired at them point blank for there part in this issue as well!
Please let us all know what you can do Rich bro, or if you need our help, all the bro's on JEMSITE are with you on this one!

Wis Redz of Silvanost · #10 01-25-2006, 09:41 AM

well, I don't think it is easy to stop this kinda thing. What can Ibanez do? Take Strats for example. They are the most copied instruments on the face of earth and more than half of these copies are crap. They blemish Fender's name. What can they do? Nothing to stop this. That's a guitar that really made a revolution in guitar world. RG is just the same. It has revolutinized the guitar world. I mean it was JEM first but that doesn't matter now.
I can't imagine Ibanez making **** stop selling these. Evilbay is a place where people sell their stuff and I don't think this can be stopped. But I think anyone who sell some crappy guitar by using the original's picture should be suspended or something. I never understood how things are going on evilbay. It seems it's the seller who's always right. That's bull****.
But I also think this case can be avoided by guitarists. I mean if you are willing to spend some money on a guitar you shouold already now a lot about it etc. But as a gift this is really dangerous. I feel really sorry for the guy who got a fake from his girlfriend.

Davey · #11 01-25-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jaken777

Come On Rich (Please) get on to IBANEZ or our guitars will be worth zero $ if these fools keep doing mock-up Ibanez guitars & that Evilbay Should get a big fat fine in court fired at them point blank for there part in this issue as well!
Please let us all know what you can do Rich bro, or if you need our help, all the bro's on JEMSITE are with you on this one!

Obviously I can't speak for Rich (I'm sure he'll do that for himself) but as he is a dealer, he probably isn't bothered with bugging Ibanez to do something about fakes on ****.

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Originally Posted by Wis Redz of Silvanost

well, I don't think it is easy to stop this kinda thing. What can Ibanez do? Take Strats for example. They are the most copied instruments on the face of earth and more than half of these copies are crap. They blemish Fender's name. What can they do? Nothing to stop this. That's a guitar that really made a revolution in guitar world. RG is just the same. It has revolutinized the guitar world. I mean it was JEM first but that doesn't matter now.
I can't imagine Ibanez making **** stop selling these. Evilbay is a place where people sell their stuff and I don't think this can be stopped. But I think anyone who sell some crappy guitar by using the original's picture should be suspended or something. I never understood how things are going on evilbay. It seems it's the seller who's always right. That's bull****.
But I also think this case can be avoided by guitarists. I mean if you are willing to spend some money on a guitar you shouold already now a lot about it etc. But as a gift this is really dangerous. I feel really sorry for the guy who got a fake from his girlfriend.

The problem is, these are being sold as the genuine article, not copies so that makes them fake. People like Woody custom in the UK and other sellers at least let you know flat out that their guitars aren't the real deal. The Strat copies (majority of them) come with another companies name on the headstock so there is no confusion.

**jemsite** · #12 01-25-2006, 10:22 AM

Do you guys understand Rich does not work for ibanez, nor is he an authorized dealer?

If these are being sold as "fakes" (not copy axes with different names) Ibanez can absolutely stamp and litigate these out of existance and at least off e-bay. I'd wager the likelihood of this happening is infinitesimal... glen

Davey · #13 01-25-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jemsite

Do you guys understand Rich does not work for ibanez, nor is he an authorized dealer?

If these are being sold as "fakes" (not copy axes with different names) Ibanez can absolutely stamp and litigate these out of existance and at least off e-bay. I'd wager the likelihood of this happening is infinitesimal... glen

Didn't know he wasn't authorised, but yeah obivously doesn't work for Ibanez so I don't know what part he'd play in things (none

lol)

That's what I thought about them sorting e bay out on the matter, but it was just a case of why they haven't done it much sooner?

jaken777 · #14 01-25-2006, 10:39 AM

Putting the Ibanez trade mark on a fake Ibanez guitar is against some laws isn't it? & Evilbay is contributing to this practice buy being ingnorent to the fact that they don't check on the Item sold on there site as being a genuine product of a company or a fake mock-up item sold on Evilbay as misleading customers as being a genuine item, it's strange how you have to state the number of an engine block for a car & make, & VIN model ect of that car or part on Evilbay,& yet guitars go unchecked? another point is how would you know if the guitar is stolen or not? somethings just don't make any sence do they JEMSITE bro's? all it takes Evilbay & it's EvilSellers to win is for good JEMSITE bro's do nothing & let it happen! don't lay down on this one bro's hammer that EVILBAY's ears untill they hurt & bleed, i have fired the first shots at them! make them hear the power of our conbine roarrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!! now! at least try.

Cheers-Jake.

rgr · #15 01-25-2006, 11:50 AM

I've also seen Chinese Washburn Nuno model knockoffs, I think they are copying lots more than Ibanez. There should be some laws, but it gets stickier, at least here in the US, because the actual location of these guitars is in China so technically they aren't selling them "in the US". It definitely gets into international laws and possibly into whether China wants to do anything about them. I really don't understand international trade laws. Remember the Ibanez, Tokai, and other Japanese lawsuit models? They couldn't sell them in the US, I think some may have still been sold in Japan. Check out some of the Greco LPs (which are supposedly very nice quality) that I think were still made after these lawsuits for non-US sales.

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