Ibanez, if you only read one thread here make it this one !! - Page 8

**Ayrton** · #**106** 10-20-2006, 10:32 PM

Thank you Mr. Hosono for your input on this.

Rich · #**107** 10-20-2006, 11:01 PM

D'Addario XL120's which is what Hoshino is using on everything Edge Pro exerts 85.2 pounds of tension. The amount of tension isn't the issue, the issue is that going from dive to pull up, the studs will move. The most erratic trem return you'll ever get is when the stud inserts get loose in a basswood body. It will never return the same twice. Non locking studs is the same as a loose insert, just to a smaller degree.

ChopTart · #**108** 10-20-2006, 11:02 PM

Yes, thanks Mr. Hosono, it's really cool of you to keep us updated and let us know about Ibanez's direction.

Tak Hosono · #**109** 10-20-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jb4674

Mr. Hosono,

I have recently acquired a JS2PRM as my first Ibanez guitar and couldn't be happier. I have been a long time Fender user and I like their instruments but it was time to move on. My suggestion would be the following: Ibanez should make "The Snake" for the next iteration of the Joe Satriani Signature model? I believe everyone who owns a Joe Satriani guitar would like a new graphic JS. Also, instead of making it as a "special order item only" like the old graphic models (donnie, etc.), Ibanez should make it a regular production run instrument and retire the JS1000BP.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Jimmy :-)

Dear Jimmy, the LACS (Ibanez Custom Shop) have already made some new JS Signature proto type for next year. but I can assure that it is not "The Snake" though. I'm sorry. Thank you very much for your input.

MetalZone · #**110** 10-21-2006, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

D'Addario XL120's which is what Hoshino is using on everything Edge Pro exerts 85.2 pounds of tension. The amount of tension isn't the issue, the issue is that going from dive to pull up, the studs will move. The most erratic trem return you'll ever get is when the stud inserts get loose in a basswood body. It will never return the same twice. Non locking studs is the same as a loose insert, just to a smaller degree.

I bet you calculated that from the daddario specs... hahah. multiply by two for the spring tension divide by two for each stud (simply assuming the same), and yeah back to ur figure of 85.2 pounds of pressure on each stud.
thanks to your mod, it actually made a small improvement, all for the ongoing pursuit of perfect return

I second the return of locking studs, or maybe if Ibanez wants to make it easier for Edge Pro users to upgrade (and retain the non locking studs for those not in the know), give em inserts/anchors with a base as opposed to without on the non-locking studs. (EDIT: it seems quite a few have suggested this as well in the previous page.) Thanks Mr. Hosono, we appreciate your effort very much.

Rich · #**111** 10-21-2006, 01:31 AM

Am I missing something? Why multiply by 2? That should be the figure for overall string tension at pitch.

MetalZone · #**112** 10-21-2006, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Am I missing something? Why multiply by 2? That should be the figure for overall string tension at pitch.

haha i went too far with trying to calculate that. my logic is that... the string tension at pitch is 85.2 pounds. in countertension by the springs on the other side of the pivot point to acheive equilibrium. so the total force exerted on the studs is two times of 85.2.
ANywayyyy.......

Rich · #**113** 10-21-2006, 02:08 AM

Somebody who remembers their physics better and isn't loaded up on muscle relaxers should tackle this for us

crevis · #**114** 10-21-2006, 02:15 AM

your absolutely right, the springs have the same tension and are puling on the studs as well so its double.

crevis · #**115** 10-21-2006, 02:26 AM

But when you move the arm the exact same amount of tension is exerted but in a different direction so the studs moving is the problem.

Rich · #**116** 10-21-2006, 03:05 AM

Now that the fog is clearing a bit, it's not double. The lever action of the block length cuts the balancing spring tension way down. I think it was figured out before at around 116 pounds total strings + springs.

howe · #**117** 10-21-2006, 03:18 AM

.....i just wish ibanez brings us back the LO_PRO EDGE(or the original edge)....

nuno · #**118** 10-21-2006, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tak Hosono

R&D chief told me that Edge Pro tremolo project is "on going and evolving" and he promised to revisit this locking tremolo studs issue very soon.

F*CK YEAH!!! Thanks Mr.Tak and R&D chief!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tak Hosono

Please remember that I'm on your side.

we love you, Mr.Tak!!

mi2tom · #**119** 10-21-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nuno

we love you, Mr.Tak!!

Yes!

fettouhi · #**120** 10-21-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tak Hosono

Dear Glen and Nuno, okay let me start over one more time regarding to Edge Pro's stud bolts. Hoshino Gakki's chief engineer gave me a long explanation and technical data leading to these new "non locking" stud bolts design. I don't want go through every small details and reasonings because simply too long and probably boring. Basically is this:
#1 Some Lo Pro Edge owners does break these locking studs because either they don't realize the locking screws were already set or lock screws were completely rusted and frozen shut. When this happens creates a warranty issues for HUSA.
I'm sure that 99% of Jem site people are well aware of these little screws inside of the locking studs but rest of the world are not likely so.
#2 When the guitars were tuned to A-440 with light gage strings, these tremolo studs held up with somewhere around 200 lbs of string pressure, under that much of pressure these tremolo studs will not move anyways.
Hoshino Gakki's R&D team did a lot of home work regarding this issue. I know that some of you does not agree with our R&D team's findings but this is what they were concluded. However I personally agree with the Jem site's Glen that it is a good idea to keep the "locking studs" anyways so that Edge Pro owners have a choice.
Here's a bit of good news for you guys. R&D chief told me that Edge Pro tremolo project is "on going and evolving" and he promised to revisit this locking tremolo studs issue very soon. He's a good friend of mine and he's very much like one of us "guitar crazy" so let's wait to see what happens.
Okay guys? Please remember that I'm on your side. Best Regards,

Interesting...

Regards

André