Radically new!

AleTheNervo · #1 07-27-2006, 07:50 PM

Don't you think it's time to see something radically new from ibanez?
My opinion is there're too much rg-like guitars. Don't misunderstand me: I love them but I think Ibanez should think of something really different and new, like the Jem was in 1986...

Show your opinion

sirbrandon101 · #2 07-27-2006, 08:01 PM

I could honestly care less if they come out with anything drastically new. Just like most everyone else here, gimme some more colors and some maple boards and i'll be happy. A reverse hs would be nice too.

Dee · #3 07-27-2006, 08:47 PM

I stand somewhere in the middle. A completely new design would be good, but most of the time I'd be happy with a nice RG as sirbrandon described. I would welcome ebony fretboards too though. The RG is pretty much perfect, IMO. Saying that, if I had a chance to design an Ibanez, it wouldn't look like an RG!

bonehead189 · #4 07-27-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Deeswift

I stand somewhere in the middle. A completely new design would be good, but most of the time I'd be happy with a nice RG as sirbrandon described. I would welcome ebony fretboards too though. The RG is pretty much perfect, IMO. Saying that, if I had a chance to design an Ibanez, it wouldn't look like an RG!

+1!

Texter · #5 07-28-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AleTheNervo

. Don't misunderstand me: I love them but I think Ibanez should think of something really different and new, like the Jem was in 1986...

The Jem was sickeningly conservative compared to the Maxxas that came out the same year, which was so drastically different Ibanez didn't dare marketing it under it's own brand name(just like the Soundgear bass). The Maxxas booted the first Wizard neck, All access neck joint, Ibanez USA pups, Edge tremolo with Backstop etc. Sick, huh? They also were pretty expensive without some famous guy supporting the model, which I guess caused its lack of success...mine had been hanging in the store for 8 years before I bought it at half price.
Steve didn't want the Maxxas but his own improved strat design with silly ornamentations, without a Wizard neck or AANJ. All I can say is that my Maxxas is very impressive and really has balls, but my Jems are more anatomically correct which makes them better players. So it was wise for Ibanez to use the JEM/RG template. Fender has built the same old stratocaster crap without ever improving the shape. Les Pauls still aren't designed to be played.

AleTheNervo · #6 07-28-2006, 09:08 AM

I know the maxxas and you're right, it was a revolutionary guitar, but:
maybe sometime you don't need to do something strange to do a revolution, doing that you can do mistakes or even do something ridicolous.
What Steve with Ibanez did is emprove something that just existed, create a 21th century strat and that was a revolution!
When the Strat appeared was something shocking but was still the natural evolution of the tele and so on!

bammbamm · #7 07-28-2006, 09:47 AM

I have to say that people just demanding Ibanez make a new style guitar is a tad absurd. Call Ford and tell them to make somethign RADICALLY different. See what kind of response you get. That said, Ibanez has been coming out with some pretty good variations on an old design as well as some newer ideas.
for one the Jet King series is a cool throw back, albiet a cheaper guitar, but different enough for them. The RGA (arch top RG's are just what the Dr. ordered IMO, I'm still looking to nab one if and when I find the right deal.

Also, do you think Fender would just up and throw a new design out there on a whim? Tell me that test marketing and R&D don't have a hand in what comes out. They aren't going to produce a mass run of guitars based on a handful of guys wanting something new.

Dig around into the Ibanez catalogue and see how many different styles they have, the Pat Metheny model, Joe Pass, the JS series, the Jem, the Artist series, the S series, pick one, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Ibanez's RG, IMO is the equivalent of the Stratocatser for Fender, a flagship model that has probably done more volume for them than most of their other models combined.

That said, do you have the money right now were Ibanez to roll out with a new design? I ask the same question to the guys who complain that the LA Custom shop isn't open to the public.

fettouhi · #8 07-28-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bammbamm

I have to say that people just demanding Ibanez make a new style guitar is a tad absurd. Call Ford and tell them to make somethign RADICALLY different. See what kind of response you get. That said, Ibanez has been coming out with some pretty good variations on an old design as well as some newer ideas.
for one the Jet King series is a cool throw back, albiet a cheaper guitar, but different enough for them. The RGA (arch top RG's are just what the Dr. ordered IMO, I'm still looking to nab one if and when I find the right deal.

Also, do you think Fender would just up and throw a new design out there on a whim? Tell me that test marketing and R&D don't have a hand in what comes out. They aren't going to produce a mass run of guitars based on a handful of guys wanting something new.

Dig around into the Ibanez catalogue and see how many different styles they have, the Pat Metheny model, Joe Pass, the JS series, the Jem, the Artist series, the S series, pick one, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Ibanez's RG, IMO is the equivalent of the Stratocatser for Fender, a flagship model that has probably done more volume for them than most of their other models combined.

That said, do you have the money right now were Ibanez to roll out with a new design? I ask the same question to the guys who complain that the LA Custom shop isn't open to the public.

The RGA needs to be released with a trem.

Regards

André

Jaden · #9 07-28-2006, 05:22 PM

Ibanez now = boring - I went out of my way to buy a non-ibanez guitar and I did !!!
it was great, a 1982 westone thunder III
dont have the slick feel of an ibanez though !

ibanezcollector · #10 07-28-2006, 05:28 PM

as far as the ford comment..

Ford has redesigned and changed there cars consistently. The mustang has been overhauled countless times trying to improve.

What if Ford tryed to keep the same style as the late 60's and then narrowed it down even more to just a handful of colors.

Ibanez needs to do something, there not changing, there not evolving, there just resting on there laurels and hoping to sell some..

I mean seriously they still havent even addressed the fraudulant items on evilbay other than a hard to find link on there website. Us as fans have done more to save consumers than they have.

Its disgusting and if this keeps up there going to be bankrupt.

C.Thep · #11 07-28-2006, 05:42 PM

I would like to see that V from winter namm see production and love to have prestige iceman and destroyer to go along with it.

They need to play with the RGA, and the SZ series. i would love to have an SZ with peizo.

Call me crazy dumb and senseless, but they should put out more signature models. Buzz's RGA7 from winter namm, or neckrthrough RGA like matt's from shadows fall. or, herman li signature s.

If Ibanez wanted to throw out something wild, they should do a korean, affordable RG8321. Everyone says it wouldn't sell, but hey, samething with the release of the seven string right?

sniperfrommars1 · #12 07-28-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

as far as the ford comment..

Ford has redesigned and changed there cars consistently. The mustang has been overhauled countless times trying to improve.

What if Ford tryed to keep the same style as the late 60's and then narrowed it down even more to just a handful of colors.

Ibanez needs to do something, there not changing, there not evolving, there just resting on there laurels and hoping to sell some..

I mean seriously they still havent even addressed the fraudulant items on evilbay other than a hard to find link on there website. Us as fans have done more to save consumers than they have.

Its disgusting and if this keeps up there going to be bankrupt.

I doubt very much that their sales have dipped at all. So just saying their going to go bankrupt is absurd. They are modifying the designs on a regular basis, or have you not seen the rg arch, new tremolo systems etc.

ibanezcollector · #13 07-28-2006, 06:45 PM

ok lets say this,

there are thousands of people on this forum, there own forum, and others that just ask for a simple request "More Colors" and what do they bring out for summer namm not that its a big deal but more black guitars..

I will always support Ibanez I always have. But there dropping the ball, take a look a ibanez's roster of endorsee's and then ESP's.. People are moving past. In there hey day Ibanez ruled supreme, they were one of the kings of the metal/shred genre. Now its not the same.

We just want some difference between models whats the sense of having 15 models if they all look the same. Its nuts.

Jackson for instance will offer one model in 5 colors where Ibanez will offer the opposite 5 models in one color. Its Fact. Not opinion.

I know in a perfect world we can get whatever we want. And hopefully if enough people make a stand Ibanez may hear I crys. Otherwise I will have to just keep buying old Ibanez's and they make no money.

Rich makes a living off of the best years of Ibanez, We on this forum trade and buy older Ibanez's, Older Ibanez's on **** sell new models dont. You see the trend here. Consumers making money, Ibanez isnt.

Its not a hard one to figure out. If you want to sit at the way side and let it happen so be it, thats your option, I for one will fight to get the old Ibanez back.

C.Thep · #14 07-28-2006, 06:50 PM

Ya, ibanez is losing the metal guitar race.

bammbamm · #15 07-28-2006, 07:10 PM

They need a hot porn star like Jackson has...

That aside, back to the FORD comment.
Ford has a bunch of crap designs, aside from the couple high end cars, they are an A-B vehicle. The 'stang is a throw back to the 60's mustangs which IMO is great, but they along with Dodge and Chevy are going in reverse to some extent, call it retro, or whatever, they are calling on the ideas of the past to take them forward. It's good in some ways, but from another standpoint, it says they can't innovate NEW ideas. Much like movies, what % is a sequal or remake anymore?

Ibanez has made a # of great innovations as was already mentioned, they took the OFR and made it MUCH better with the edge, then honed it again with the lopro and now the latest edition.

RGA's I think are fine the way they are, no trem needed, if they DID get one, I'd say get something that won't cause as much sustain loss as the Edge. I love the edge, but my music, anymore, doesn't call for it. I'll agree more color schemes are in order, for SURE. Make a couple more variations on the RGA321 and toss a purple, amber, and or deep red and I think they'll have a larger interest. Again, the issue is, will someone buy it though?

I do think there is a demand for a custom shop effort again, like Jackson and Fender, if not just to do short 24 guitar runs that go for a fair enough price on both parties, where Ibanez won't regret making the run and people will still buy them. And for the love of GOD they need to hire Darren of ATD back, their new swirls are weak at best.