why no Mass produced chrome JS ?

ApOsTle · #1 12-30-2006, 04:44 PM

Now we all know the pitfalls of the JS10 finish and the cost to the end user, and we've all seen the JS2PRM which in my opinion being Aluminium powder coated is Uber soft (like lead) why oh why dont Ibanez use the "chromeFX" or similar system to mass produce the chromeboy. Hell that would be an immense seller , finsh would be as good lookin as real chrome and and fraction of the price to achieve and going by past examples a more stable finish , well just as stable as any other finish tbh.
Seems good buisness sense to do bearing in mind the number of JS owners getting it done on their own guitars.

Just Wondered why Ibanez dont see the Light ?

fettouhi · #2 12-30-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ApOsTle

Now we all know the pitfalls of the JS10 finish and the cost to the end user, and we've all seen the JS2PRM which in my opinion being Aluminium powder coated is Uber soft (like lead) why oh why dont Ibanez use the "chromeFX" or similar system to mass produce the chromeboy. Hell that would be an immense seller , finsh would be as good lookin as real chrome and and fraction of the price to achieve and going by past examples a more stable finish , well just as stable as any other finish tbh.
Seems good buisness sense to do bearing in mind the number of JS owners getting it done on their own guitars.

Just Wondered why Ibanez dont see the Light ?

I really don't think there is a market for making a mass production of the chromeboy. Well, it may depend on what the list price would be in the end.

Regards

André

ApOsTle · #3 12-30-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by fettouhi

I really don't think there is a market for making a mass production of the chromeboy. Well, it may depend on what the list price would be in the end.

Regards

André

well with that sort of process it should list for not alot more that the js1200, maybe a little more but the price for the JS10 was HUGE because of the chroming process. ChromeFX or similar finishing is a fraction of the price.

fettouhi · #4 01-22-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ApOsTle

well with that sort of process it should list for not alot more that the js1200, maybe a little more but the price for the JS10 was HUGE because of the chroming process. ChromeFX or similar finishing is a fraction of the price.

Really!

Regards

André

the.godfather · #5 01-22-2007, 08:34 AM

Because its an expensive and difficult process.

That therefore drives the price up, making it kinda pointless to mass-produce it.

Do I think there should be more research into a better/easier chrome finish? Yes.

Myst and rain · #6 01-22-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ApOsTle

Now we all know the pitfalls of the JS10 finish and the cost to the end user, and we've all seen the JS2PRM which in my opinion being Aluminium powder coated is Uber soft (like lead) why oh why dont Ibanez use the "chromeFX" or similar system to mass produce the chromeboy. Hell that would be an immense seller , finsh would be as good lookin as real chrome and and fraction of the price to achieve and going by past examples a more stable finish , well just as stable as any other finish tbh.
Seems good buisness sense to do bearing in mind the number of JS owners getting it done on their own guitars.

Just Wondered why Ibanez dont see the Light ?

That's the age old question. It is a mystery...

Check out this thread I posted. That was one of the first threads I posted once I became a member of jemsite.

The fact that there is no production model of the chrome JS, really bugs me, too.

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51403

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Originally Posted by fettouhi

I really don't think there is a market for making a mass production of the chromeboy. Well, it may depend on what the list price would be in the end.

Regards

André

I'm going to post a poll about that! Then we'll see if it would sell or not. As will Ibanez...

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Originally Posted by the.godfather

Because its an expensive and difficult process.

That therefore drives the price up, making it kinda pointless to mass-produce it.

Do I think there should be more research into a better/easier chrome finish? Yes.

Now check out this chromed Darth vader.

Look at all the curves and shapes... It's tremendously complex. And yet the manufacturers succeeded in doing it flawlessly. And they made a boatload of these.

So why does Ibanez have problems with chroming the JS? I mean, the JS has a lot less curves. I don't get it.

And also, just think of all the things in the average bathroom which are chromed. Shower heads, faucets, knobs... I don't get it.

Myst

voodoo_child · #7 01-22-2007, 02:12 PM

Theres nothing difficult involved in developing an affordable, durable chrome finish. From an engineering standpoint its childs-play, astronomically more difficult problems are solved every day in every industry you can think of.

Ibanez could do it if they wanted. I guess theyre just happy enough to leave it for high priced limited editions.

Myst and rain · #8 01-22-2007, 02:40 PM

That may very well be true.

It's weird that they don't produce it as production model.

Myst

Myst and rain · #9 01-22-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by voodoo_child

Theres nothing difficult involved in developing an affordable, durable chrome finish. From an engineering standpoint its childs-play, astronomically more difficult problems are solved every day in every industry you can think of.

Ibanez could do it if they wanted. I guess theyre just happy enough to leave it for high priced limited editions.

That may be true, which is another weird decision of Ibanez. When they sell 500 JS2PRMs or JS10ths, they earn like, $ 2.500.000. But when they have it in their catalogue they'll probably earn way more than that, selling chromeboys.

Just like the JEM20th: if they made more than 500 available, they would sell more than 500.

I'm not a business man. There probably is a reason for all this, but I don't have a clue what it is.

Myst

TimS · #10 01-23-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by voodoo_child

Theres nothing difficult involved in developing an affordable, durable chrome finish. From an engineering standpoint its childs-play, astronomically more difficult problems are solved every day in every industry you can think of.

Ibanez could do it if they wanted. I guess theyre just happy enough to leave it for high priced limited editions.

it's child's play when you're chroming metal. They run into a bit of a problem when

A) trying to chrome a guitar that's made of wood or luthite - they're both non-conductive.

B) applying that finish while changing the instrument's tone as little as possible.

Myst and rain · #11 01-23-2007, 07:52 AM

They might. But at the same time Joe Satriani has tons and tons of chromeboys.

So what's the big deal? Joe's guitars may have a few imperfections, but who cares about that? Those are the guitars he plays, and everybody loves them. Why don't they just make the guitar he plays available? Why does it have to be perfect? I mean, who cares about a couple of imperfections? It only looks cool.

Myst

voodoo_child · #12 01-23-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TimS

it's child's play when you're chroming metal. They run into a bit of a problem when

A) trying to chrome a guitar that's made of wood or luthite - they're both non-conductive.

B) applying that finish while changing the instrument's tone as little as possible.

You obviously didnt take the time to fully read/understand my 4 sentence post.

fettouhi · #13 01-23-2007, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Myst and rain

They might. But at the same time Joe Satriani has tons and tons of chromeboys.

I think Rich mentioned he is at his 6th Chromeboy now.

Regards

André

Myst and rain · #14 01-23-2007, 06:20 PM

His 6th?????? That's not a lot. But he's been playing chromeboys for nearly two decades? And in all that time he only owned six? Wow...

I wonder what Tak Hosino could tell us about this particular subject (the fact that there is no chrome production model JS)?

Myst

jb4674 · #15 01-24-2007, 01:01 AM

Myst, that would be his 6th JS2PRM alone. The original JS2's Joe has, he no longer plays them on tour for fear of them being stolen like pearly.

I would love it if Ibanez released a regular production model of the chromeboy but, that's just not going to happen. The chromeboy defines Joe as a guitar player and maybe Ibanez wants to keep his guitar somewhat exclusive. Sometimes it is hard to understand a company's marketing logic, especially when it comes to guitars.

Jimmy