2 part canons

Jemwielder · #1 11-19-2007, 07:20 PM

I hate writing these. I can never get them to go anywhere, they just cycle between the same 2 chords until I break "the rules." Anyone have any experience writing these? I've been working on these for a while in class but the teacher is a colassal flake who assumes we all know the rules to writing them.

yoyo1299 · #2 11-19-2007, 11:02 PM

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I hate writing these. I can never get them to go anywhere, they just cycle between the same 2 chords until I break "the rules." Anyone have any experience writing these? I've been working on these for a while in class but the teacher is a colassal flake who assumes we all know the rules to writing them.

RULES??? RULES???? who cares about rules?? sure they help, and guide a bit, but make the RULES and THEORY fit the music, not the other way round. Crap the rules. Do something that sounds good, and make the theory fit that.

Jemwielder · #3 11-19-2007, 11:17 PM

Well, normally that's my approach, however this is for a class. So it needs to follow the rules.

TheJazzTerminator · #4 11-20-2007, 03:38 AM

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RULES??? RULES???? who cares about rules?? sure they help, and guide a bit, but make the RULES and THEORY fit the music, not the other way round. Crap the rules. Do something that sounds good, and make the theory fit that.

Because there are different periods in music (Baroque, Classical, Romantic, etc.), the way music schools teach composition and theory is to analyze the common practices of those major periods, i.e., the 'rules' of those periods. It goes back to that famous old saying: "Learn the rules, then break 'em."

yoyo1299 · #5 11-20-2007, 09:37 AM

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Because there are different periods in music (Baroque, Classical, Romantic, etc.), the way music schools teach composition and theory is to analyze the common practices of those major periods, i.e., the 'rules' of those periods. It goes back to that famous old saying: "Learn the rules, then break 'em."

well, of course. As i said, MAKE the RULES fit the music. So you kinda have to know the rules

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TheJazzTerminator · #6 11-20-2007, 01:17 PM

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well, of course. As i said, MAKE the RULES fit the music. So you kinda have to know the rules

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There's something you're missing, though: the original poster is doing this for a class in which he has to follow specific 'rules' and can't deviate from them. Well, he can, but the teacher will take major points off.

yoyo1299 · #7 11-20-2007, 03:38 PM

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There's something you're missing, though: the original poster is doing this for a class in which he has to follow specific 'rules' and can't deviate from them. Well, he can, but the teacher will take major points off.

yeah, i know that NOW, but he didn't specify that in the original post... well nt really. sorry tho

jemplayer55 · #8 11-20-2007, 04:27 PM

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RULES??? RULES???? who cares about rules?? sure they help, and guide a bit, but make the RULES and THEORY fit the music, not the other way round. Crap the rules. Do something that sounds good, and make the theory fit that.

Yoyo..... are you trying to blow smoke again?

I'm still trying to figure out just how many degrees you hold in music and the recording arts and sciences!?

It sure seems you've already acquired your Ph.D in pseudo-intellectual communication though!

Jemwielder · #9 11-20-2007, 06:46 PM

Well, I turned em in and he looked them over and I got a nod of approval. Which means I'm probably in good shape (you never can tell, this guy's a bit of a flake.) After spending some more time with it I can see the importance of it. Although I think there are other ways of learning the same skills. Unfortunetly this particular teacher expects us to look at stuff that Bach wrote and go "oh I get it now." Gotta love it.

jemplayer55 · #10 11-20-2007, 06:56 PM

http://www.d.umn.edu/~jrubin1/JHR%20...xamples2ab.htm

Check this out..... glad you got through it!

yoyo1299 · #11 11-20-2007, 08:44 PM

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Yoyo..... are you trying to blow smoke again?

I'm still trying to figure out just how many degrees you hold in music and the recording arts and sciences!?

It sure seems you've already acquired your Ph.D in pseudo-intellectual communication though!

Jem.... are you trying to pick a fight???

I'm just saying what a lot of highly trained musicians have told me.

If i have to have a degree in music theory to be on this forum, well i guessi better leave. maybe u should to. and most of the other forum members. Just cuz i'm 14 doens't mean i can't contribute. I shouldn't have to have a "certification"

jemplayer55 · #12 11-21-2007, 10:54 AM

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Jem.... are you trying to pick a fight???

I'm just saying what a lot of highly trained musicians have told me.

If i have to have a degree in music theory to be on this forum, well i guessi better leave. maybe u should to. and most of the other forum members. Just cuz i'm 14 doens't mean i can't contribute. I shouldn't have to have a "certification"

Nope.... not looking to "fight"! Nor does anyone here need a diploma, only a healthy dose of experience and the ability to back it up with fact to contribute something useful.

Personally, I was just anticipating your usual style of posting based on previous experience.

Now of course, I realize there ARE actually child prodigies out there. And they can contribute meaningful information, as well as acting adult enough to realize when not to post in a thread!

Rodney James · #13 11-21-2007, 12:08 PM

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yoyo1299 · #14 11-21-2007, 03:58 PM

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Nope.... not looking to "fight"! Nor does anyone here need a diploma, only a healthy dose of experience and the ability to back it up with fact to contribute something useful.

Personally, I was just anticipating your usual style of posting based on previous experience.

Now of course, I realize there ARE actually child prodigies out there. And they can contribute meaningful information, as well as acting adult enough to realize when not to post in a thread!

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If you don't have anything good and helpful and uplifiting to say, don't say anything then. IF anyone's acting a child, it's you. Children pick fights.