A really simple question

Jeff · #1 07-31-2002, 12:38 AM

I was reading this interview with satch, but this comes up a lot.

Part of the interview said "Its hard to play those minor 11th appregios"...there was a lot more to it, but that's the part I'm focusing on. What do they mean "minor 11th?" What sort of a chord shape is that?

Like when you hear people say "I play a lot of 5ths and 3rds" what does that mean?

Thanks

Vai the god of Sound · #2 07-31-2002, 01:30 PM

Basically the 11th is an extension of the 7th. So in C#m7, the 7th would be extended to an 11 (C#m11)

One voicing is just to barre the 9th fret...

Jeff · #3 07-31-2002, 03:00 PM

I don't think you understood my question.

Say I have a C#maj triad...Where I play the root, 3rd and 5th of the C# major scale to create the triad. With the triad C#maj7, how would the triad change?

EKG · #4 07-31-2002, 03:14 PM

Check it out here

BrianH · #5 07-31-2002, 03:18 PM

ok, I wasn't going to answer because a thorough answer would be very long... here is a short course in what you want to know.

Chords are built from tones of a scale(usually the major scale but not always).

major chord is the 1, 3 and 5 of a scale.

for a major 7 you add a 7 tone. So the formula is thus 1,3,5,7
but there is also the dominant 7, formula is 1,3,5,b7(flat 7)

You need to get a good chord book to learn this stuff. I suggest Barre Chords by Troy Stetina.

EKG · #6 07-31-2002, 03:21 PM

LOL! I felt the same way, BrianH, that is why I put up that chord calculator

OOPS!! I'm sorry....back to work

BrianH · #7 07-31-2002, 05:19 PM

lol... yea, thought I'd be nice and put up just enough to wet his tongue. Just get that book and your guitar playing will improve 10 fold... well that is if you learn everything in that book. There is another book I use and like as well, I'll have to get the complete name of it and post again... anyhoo...

now back to thinking about Eddie being back to work...

Jeff · #8 07-31-2002, 06:36 PM

But what about 3rds and 5ths that are already in the chord? Do you just play the root and then the 3rd or 5th and nothing else?

BrianH · #9 07-31-2002, 07:14 PM

well you asked about a minor 11 arpeggio. Don't let the 11 fool you, its just an added 4th tone.

the formula for a minor 11th chord is thus
1,b3,5,b7,9,11

so why use 11 instead of 4? well the 4 is reserved for the sus4 chord which has no 3rd. Having the 11 implies there is a 3 and that the 11 tone(aka 4 tone) will be played in a higher octave.

an arpeggio is just a chord played one note at a time and not strumed. So when you play the minor 11 arpeggio you will play each note seperately(but let them all ring out). Now if you are talking about sweep picking then you must silent each note of the arpeggio before hitting the next. This is what gives a sweeped arpeggio its characteristic sound.

anyhoo, without being to technical hope this helps.