Does Antone know Music Leroy..I need Help..! - Page 2

mi2tom · #16 02-13-2006, 11:35 PM

Ok then ... I'm stand corrected

thanks for the advice too

joeydahlia · #17 02-14-2006, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Drew

Joey, ever read the Wallace Stevens poem "Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird"? It's a pretty good analogy here. Modes can be considered "seven ways of looking at the major scale," if you want. The Wallace Steven poem uses the image of a blackbird in thirteen unrelated (save for the common image) haiku-like stanzas, each image in a different context and meaning a different thing. Likewise, the same series of notes, when considered from the perspective of any one note in the series, will have a different sound to them. The series of notes remains unchanged, but the point at which you look at them changes what that series "means," in a manner of speaking. Thus, A minor and C major have the same seven notes, but each scale is very different in sound because it's a different way of looking at those seven notes, from a different musical perspective. It's not which notes are contained, it's how you look at them.

That's my oddball explaination of modality.

I stay far away from this stuff....You can see it's like a 20 oz Moutain Dew...

Big Daddy

razorsuppository · #18 02-14-2006, 01:37 AM

Just look at it this way: C maj is C D E F G A B C
A min is A B C D E F G A

It's in the same key, but if you start and end on a C, it will sound like the major scale. It all depends on which note you place emphasis on. If it revolved around D using those notes then it would be dorian, E would be phrygian, F would be lydian, G would be mixolydian, A would be aeolian(minor), B would be locrian.

joeydahlia · #19 02-14-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by razorsuppository

Just look at it this way: C maj is C D E F G A B C
A min is A B C D E F G A

It's in the same key, but if you start and end on a C, it will sound like the major scale. It all depends on which note you place emphasis on. If it revolved around D using those notes then it would be dorian, E would be phrygian, F would be lydian, G would be mixolydian, A would be aeolian(minor), B would be locrian.

If you start on the C in will be Cmajor...?

What if the key is in A minor..and you start on the C..?

My God this is A TOTAL WASTE...

hahaha

Big Daddy

Andelusion · #20 02-14-2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydahlia

If you start on the C in will be Cmajor...?

What if the key is in A minor..and you start on the C..?

My God this is A TOTAL WASTE...

hahaha

Big Daddy

It doesn't matter what 'note you start' on.

If the progression (rhythm guitar, etc, playing chords) has a home/tonic chord/tone of C then the piece is in C Major.

razorsuppository · #21 02-14-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydahlia

If you start on the C in will be Cmajor...?

What if the key is in A minor..and you start on the C..?

My God this is A TOTAL WASTE...

hahaha

Big Daddy

It depends on what the melody is being played over. What I was trying to tell you is that the determinant is which note the emphasis is placed on. You can play any of the notes ( C D E F G A B C) over a C major prog. and it will sound like C major, but each degree of the scale is a different mode in a different key. So if you're playing in the key of D, and you play D E F G A B C D, you will be playing dorian mode. Maybe I'm not explaining this well enough or something, but the internet is a pretty goddamn vast resource of this sort of information. If you really want to learn theory and you have too much trouble doing so on your own, then why don't you go take lessons?

vette6600 · #22 02-14-2006, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by razorsuppository

If you really want to learn theory and you have too much trouble doing so on your own, then why don't you go take lessons?

amen to that

Sam101 · #23 02-14-2006, 04:44 PM

there is this one site www.guitarlessonworld.com and it has alot of lessons and stuff

ChopTart · #24 02-24-2006, 03:11 PM

the way I understand it, A minor and C major are relative, so they share the same sharps and flats (in this case, none). But if you start on A and go up an octave, you made the tonic A, so it is no longer C maj but instead A natural minor.

Still, Am sounds a lot like Cmaj, so to differentiate them, there are harmonic and melodic minors. Harmonic minors move the leading tone (7th degree) up one half step so the differenece between the 7th and 8th is only a half step. This however creates an augmented second between degrees 6 and 7. In comes the Melodic minor, which takes the 6th degree and moves THAT up half a step also so the interval between the 6th and 7th is a major 2nd. I believe its like this:

Cmaj
C D E F G A B C

Amin (natural)
A B C D E F G A

Amin (harmonic)
A B C D E F G# A

Amin (melodic)
A B C D E F# G# A

on a side note, can someone explain the aelorian and all those other terms? I'm not familiar with them

vette6600 · #25 02-25-2006, 03:20 AM

If we're looking at C major
C Ionian - first step in major scale - cdefgabc
D Dorian - 2nd - defgabcd
E phrygian - efgabcde
F Lyidian -fgabcdef
G Mixolydian - gabcdefg
A Aeolian - abcdefga
B Locrian - bcdefgab

ChopTart · #26 02-25-2006, 12:28 PM

so are they just different names for the degrees of notes? like tonic, supertonic, mediant, subdominant, dominant, submediant, leading tone, tonic?

vette6600 · #27 02-25-2006, 04:20 PM

exactly; if you play the c major scale off of the tonic, you are playing C Ionian. off the leading tone, b locrian, etc.

leppermessiah · #28 02-25-2006, 09:50 PM

Hey man. Why don't you check out this dudes web site. His playing is "insane" . I mean, like, WOW. EVERYTHING you need to know abou tmusic, shred and theory is RIGHT HERE.

Oh, and Leroy's left the building.

http://www.joeydahlia.com/

razorsuppository · #29 02-25-2006, 11:50 PM

Jesus, that guy is AMAZING. I think I just messed my britches, seriously.

leppermessiah · #30 02-26-2006, 01:32 AM

"does ANTONE know music LEROY"

come on guys, this jokers yanking your chains. Anton and leroy are boys names.

The guys having a laugh at your expense.

The site i posted is the site of the guy that started this thread. check it out, have a laugh. especially the "U Tell m Joey" lesson on arppegios. Wot a wally.

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Originally Posted by razorsuppository

Jesus, that guy is AMAZING. I think I just messed my britches, seriously.

You ppissed yourself laughing right?