Does Antone know Music Leroy..I need Help..!

[joeydahlia]

If you know Leroy..I need help...

If you have C & A Minor..!

Are these the same key?

or are they 2 different key's that share the same notes...?

or is this a stupid ????

Big Daddy...

[mi2tom]

They aren't the same but they share the same key...

If you want to look at theory itself, Aminor exist only if it has the sharpen 7th which is a harmonic minor or the melodic one which consist of sharp 6th and 7th

[joeydahlia]

Ok..

Thanks..

Big Daddy...

[ChopTart]

Cmajor and A minor are relative keys, which means they share the same accidentals

[Andelusion]

Who's Leroy?

[joeydahlia]

Originally Posted by Andelusion

Who's Leroy?

I am 100% sure That Leroy is just a Myth...!


Big Daddy

[jemboyee]

Originally Posted by joeydahlia

If you know Leroy..I need help...

If you have C & A Minor..!

Are these the same key?

or are they 2 different key's that share the same notes...?

or is this a stupid ????

Big Daddy...

Looks like someone's been spending their practice time wisely.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by mi2tom

They aren't the same but they share the same key...

If you want to look at theory itself, Aminor exist only if it has the sharpen 7th which is a harmonic minor or the melodic one which consist of sharp 6th and 7th

I don't even know what you're saying there, dude. I agree, sharpening those notes will give you harmonic and melodic minor scales, but I'm fairly certian A minor exists...

C major and A minor are, as Chop Tart pointed out, relative keys of each other - C is the relative major of Am, and Am is the relative minor of C. They differ in context, rather than actual notes - if you're playing a scale composed of the pitches C, D, E, F, G, A, B, and C, but resolving to A, D, and E (the first, fourth, and 5th scale degrees in A), then it makes sense to think of it as an A Minor scale. If you're centering around the C, and hitting the F and G (4th and 5th, respectively) a lot, then maybe C makes more sense.

To really complicate this, you can start looking at the scale modally, too. If you're playing chords derrived from that scale, and resolve to D as your tonic, for instance, then it makes more sense to think of this sequence of notes as D Dorian than C Ionian (major). If you use the same scale focused around a G tonic, you get G Mixolydian.

Confused yet?

[joeydahlia]

Originally Posted by Drew

I don't even know what you're saying there, dude. I agree, sharpening those notes will give you harmonic and melodic minor scales, but I'm fairly certian A minor exists...

C major and A minor are, as Chop Tart pointed out, relative keys of each other - C is the relative major of Am, and Am is the relative minor of C. They differ in context, rather than actual notes - if you're playing a scale composed of the pitches C, D, E, F, G, A, B, and C, but resolving to A, D, and E (the first, fourth, and 5th scale degrees in A), then it makes sense to think of it as an A Minor scale. If you're centering around the C, and hitting the F and G (4th and 5th, respectively) a lot, then maybe C makes more sense.

To really complicate this, you can start looking at the scale modally, too. If you're playing chords derrived from that scale, and resolve to D as your tonic, for instance, then it makes more sense to think of this sequence of notes as D Dorian than C Ionian (major). If you use the same scale focused around a G tonic, you get G Mixolydian.

Confused yet?

He might not be ,But I sure is...hahaha..!

Just in my opinion ,They are 2 keys that share the same notes..

But I want to hear what you guys think..

Big Daddy

[mi2tom]

Originally Posted by Drew

I don't even know what you're saying there, dude. I agree, sharpening those notes will give you harmonic and melodic minor scales, but I'm fairly certian A minor exists...

C major and A minor are, as Chop Tart pointed out, relative keys of each other - C is the relative major of Am, and Am is the relative minor of C. They differ in context, rather than actual notes - if you're playing a scale composed of the pitches C, D, E, F, G, A, B, and C, but resolving to A, D, and E (the first, fourth, and 5th scale degrees in A), then it makes sense to think of it as an A Minor scale. If you're centering around the C, and hitting the F and G (4th and 5th, respectively) a lot, then maybe C makes more sense.

To really complicate this, you can start looking at the scale modally, too. If you're playing chords derrived from that scale, and resolve to D as your tonic, for instance, then it makes more sense to think of this sequence of notes as D Dorian than C Ionian (major). If you use the same scale focused around a G tonic, you get G Mixolydian.

Confused yet?

Oh sorry to confused you I'm a grade six theory dude in ABRSM ..... Theoretically A minor exist only if they are harmonic minor or melodic minor. Yes they are relative to each other but if they don't have the sharpen 7th or 6th. It' considered as aeolion mode in that case A aelion or natural minor scale. You know this theory stuff tends to be straightforward.

[vette6600]

Originally Posted by mi2tom

It' considered as aeolion mode in that case A aelion or natural minor scale. You know this theory stuff tends to be straightforward.

ummm, i'm with drew on this one. joey asked about Am didn't he; as in A natural minor/ A aeolian? A minor exists when you are centered around resolving to the 6th step in the C Major scale. If I had a progression that was Am - Dm - Em - Am, I'd say that is in Am; no sharps on the seventh step either. I understand you can sharpen the 7th for harmonic minor (in case i were to make that Em above an E7), but you don't HAVE to........right?

C major - C D E F G A B C

A minor - A B C D E F G A

^ ^ ^ same notes with essentially a different starting point; relative scales.


maybe there is a large hole in my minor scale theory, so please explain. (hopefully this doesn't sound like an argument)

[joeydahlia]

Originally Posted by vette6600

C major - C D E F G A B C

A minor - A B C D E F G A

^ ^ ^ same notes with essentially a different starting point; relative scales.


maybe there is a large hole in my minor scale theory, so please explain. (hopefully this doesn't sound like an argument)

This is cool..Just what I mean..they sound diffrent ..But have the same notes..

Does this mean I know Leroy..?

Big Daddy

[Drew]

Originally Posted by mi2tom

Oh sorry to confused you I'm a grade six theory dude in ABRSM ..... Theoretically A minor exist only if they are harmonic minor or melodic minor. Yes they are relative to each other but if they don't have the sharpen 7th or 6th. It' considered as aeolion mode in that case A aelion or natural minor scale. You know this theory stuff tends to be straightforward.

Yeah, I've got a minor in theory myself, man, and have added a couple years of study as strictly a hobbyist and performing musician, in addition to the years I spent as a student - I may not have a theory degree, but I still know my jazz and classical theory to a fairly respectable degree.

I think part of my confusion was due to a language barrier, but even after your clarification, I disagree. While technically "A Aeolian" is the correct modal name for the scale built off the 6th degree of a C major scale, saying that A minor is not also a perfectly acceptable name for that scale is just being pedantic. "Natural Minor" is a common, accepted term both classically and contemporarily for the Aeolean mode, and saying that you can't call a scale "minor" unless you raise the 7th and/or 6th is just being needlessly confusing.

My training has been that the scale A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and A can be correctly named the A Natural Minor or A Minor for short scale. I won't discount the possibility that there are different theoretical conventions in Malaysia than there are in the states, but as Joey's an American, even if in Malaysia it's considered wrong to refer to an Aeolean scale as a natural minor, in the states it's accepted, and as such he's correct to call it this.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by joeydahlia

He might not be ,But I sure is...hahaha..!

Just in my opinion ,They are 2 keys that share the same notes..

But I want to hear what you guys think..

Big Daddy

Joey, ever read the Wallace Stevens poem "Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird"? It's a pretty good analogy here. Modes can be considered "seven ways of looking at the major scale," if you want. The Wallace Steven poem uses the image of a blackbird in thirteen unrelated (save for the common image) haiku-like stanzas, each image in a different context and meaning a different thing. Likewise, the same series of notes, when considered from the perspective of any one note in the series, will have a different sound to them. The series of notes remains unchanged, but the point at which you look at them changes what that series "means," in a manner of speaking. Thus, A minor and C major have the same seven notes, but each scale is very different in sound because it's a different way of looking at those seven notes, from a different musical perspective. It's not which notes are contained, it's how you look at them.

That's my oddball explaination of modality.

[jalguitarman]

Originally Posted by Drew

Joey, ever read the Wallace Stevens poem "Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird"? It's a pretty good analogy here. Modes can be considered "seven ways of looking at the major scale," if you want. The Wallace Steven poem uses the image of a blackbird in thirteen unrelated (save for the common image) haiku-like stanzas, each image in a different context and meaning a different thing. Likewise, the same series of notes, when considered from the perspective of any one note in the series, will have a different sound to them. The series of notes remains unchanged, but the point at which you look at them changes what that series "means," in a manner of speaking. Thus, A minor and C major have the same seven notes, but each scale is very different in sound because it's a different way of looking at those seven notes, from a different musical perspective. It's not which notes are contained, it's how you look at them.

That's my oddball explaination of modality.

This is all true they are the same notes what makes it C major or A minor is what is is played over or how its applied if you will and also what key are you in? Which is sometimes little more that what chord are you starting the song out with, if the song has both the Aminor and C major in it.