Drastic overhaul to technique. - Page 3

Dee · #31 03-19-2007, 08:34 AM

As I said, apologies if I misinterpreted your post, Ben.

And like Anne said, if it makes you happy, that's great. That's what it's all about.

I think it's cool that you found new inspiration and hope the technique overhaul does you good. Rock on.

andy7jem · #32 03-19-2007, 01:09 PM

Hey Eggy, LMFAO at your wife's perspective on your gig

As for the change, i have every confidence in the fact that you can change your musical direction AND do it with your own style and sound. And i look forward to hearing the results

Love the new clip too.

And don't give up on "wasting time here"

There are some of us that also like to rock (but keep it a secret though

).

supermau · #33 03-19-2007, 01:24 PM

Eggy,

I applaude your enlightenment. I get it, probably because I feel the same way about music. To me it's not about how fantastic your technique is or how fast you can shred (although that's all fine and good) but how much heart and power a player puts into what they play - however simple or complex it may be.

Eggy · #34 03-19-2007, 02:25 PM

Cheers guys !

The only reason I started this thread is because I thought some of you might "get" where I was coming from. It feels like a big thing to wake up one day and feel that you need to change your whole angle on playing guitar and I just wanted to share that. I'm not a man to mince my words and if I wanted to call this thread "I think Crevis' guitar influences suck" I would have done just that

Sorry Dee and Crevis if you thought I was having a go at your favourite styles. All I'm saying is that they're cool but they're not the direction I want to go in any more.

@andy - Man, she's hard work

Samantha is a Mod and I'm a Rocker so the only way I'd keep her truly happy would be to play like Paul Weller all the time. She only comes to see me every 10 gigs or so (as we have a baby girl) but after that last one, instead of saying "I realy liked the way you changed some of those blues licks to a Dorian feel " or " I was realy impressed with how you slipped a Phrygian taste into that last middle 8" her comments were a lot closer to "Man, you suck !"

I love her to bits but if 5 or 6 people come up to me after a gig to say "nice playing mate" you can always rely on her to keep your feet on the ground with an "it was okay I s'pose" or "make sure you put the bins out when we get back"

No harm done. I just want to make it clear that I have the greatest respect for other musicians tastes, styles and influences but I will from now on have to always be true to myself.

60's handwired 100w power amp has arrived

but that's another thread.

Ben

andy7jem · #35 03-19-2007, 03:54 PM

I can imagine you saying "yeah, but what about the way..." and she says "so f'in what!! it's cr@p!"

From what i can gather ( correct me if i'm wrong!!) but if i got it right then you are no longer seeking world domination in music due to other more important commitments (wife, baby, own business) so therefore you are involved in music on a more fun/hobby level (and hopefully/maybe bring in a bob or two on the side

). I think this makes it even more important that you play exactly what you want otherwise your heart won't be in it. Theres no point doing something for fun if you're not enjoying it!!

And i totally get where you are coming from. Heart and soul is far more evocative than technical expertise. If something moves you, thats all that counts. You owe it to yourself to be true to yourself.

Now get out there and get rockin'

And the very best of luck to ya

Eggy · #36 03-19-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by andy7jem

I can imagine you saying "yeah, but what about the way..." and she says "so f'in what!! it's cr@p!"

From what i can gather ( correct me if i'm wrong!!) but if i got it right then you are no longer seeking world domination in music due to other more important commitments (wife, baby, own business) so therefore you are involved in music on a more fun/hobby level (and hopefully/maybe bring in a bob or two on the side

). I think this makes it even more important that you play exactly what you want otherwise your heart won't be in it. Theres no point doing something for fun if you're not enjoying it!!

And i totally get where you are coming from. Heart and soul is far more evocative than technical expertise. If something moves you, thats all that counts. You owe it to yourself to be true to yourself.

Now get out there and get rockin'

And the very best of luck to ya

Bingo !

I knew YOU'D understand where I was coming from mate.

Ben

Dee · #37 03-19-2007, 07:12 PM

We all understand, we're just saying BE YOURSELF! But don't rule out technique, theory, different styles and f**king great fusion players!

The broader the vocabulary, the easier it is to express, but of course you should put what sounds good first. The best players have a great balance of everything we've talked about.

Eggy · #38 03-19-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee

We all understand, we're just saying BE YOURSELF! But don't rule out technique, theory, different styles and f**king great fusion players!

The broader the vocabulary, the easier it is to express, but of course you should put what sounds good first. The best players have a great balance of everything we've talked about.

True Dee, balance is the key here although I've always been a sucker for tasty technique and probably always will be.

Ben

goalkpr101 · #39 03-19-2007, 11:38 PM

And in the end you will find that youve blended it all up together and become...well...you. Ive played since I was 12 and Im now 42. I went through everything from Tony Iommi to Steve Vai and in the end, on any given solo I perform I can listen to it back and hear a small piece of every one of them in it and its still me. I honestly believe over the years (if you can spare an old mans opinion) if there is one thing I can say is this. You cannot find your style, it finds you. I always thought if I tried this or sounded like that then that would define my style ( I have a library of books,tapes,and god knows what else to prove it) finally I stopped trying to dictate what I wanted to play and just simply played the damned thing the way I heard it in my head and there it was.

Peace

Jaden · #40 03-20-2007, 01:49 PM

crikey, a guy said his influences change and everyone gets hot under the collar

I have just experienced exactly the same as you Ben, I wont be surprised if Crevis chimes in and accuses us of both having a mid-life crisis too.

I really started to bore of the Vai/Satch style - and all the clones out there and ive always used primarily the pent/blues /minor scale for all my solo stuff.
thinking that I was missing out I started to learn some new stuff which I then couldnt find a use for

but in amongst all of that I discovered Paul Gilbert (kind of ashamed to admit I hadnt heard of him before)

I ended up learning a ton of gilbert stuff and its all things that I can use in every aspect of my playing...
I also really like his approach to effects etc - minimal !
so, im on a mission to get a laney amp now

good luck with the les paul - personally I dislike them cos the fingerboard is too narrow for my hands !!!!

J.

timi_h · #41 03-20-2007, 10:31 PM

i like pauls approach to shred, do it cos its fun! theres just so much joy in his shred and i love his signature lick with that unusual rhythm going on
he is a breath of fresh air and my favourite shred head by a mile!

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #42 03-21-2007, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Eggy

Wow!

It seems as though posting up your thoughts on self growth and improvement put you straight in the firing line for stuff like this. *shrugs*

Good luck with that whole Jazz thing Crevis

Hey Ben never mind what people tell you just be yourself man and play what you want to play the way you want to play it!!! if you like to emulate other players so be it there is no single individual that has not copied something from somebody be it in Jazz, Rock whatever. There was a time when I was a
Schenker/Lynch clone!!! and I think I still am to certain degree. other players have bashed me in the past saying how great I can emulate other guitarists but I can't come up with my own stuff! my reply has always been the same
I enjoy what I do and I get audience off and that is all I care about!
The only reason I opened up to other generes was because my Guitar teacher made me realize how important and inspiring it is to broaden your musical horizons, I have learnt a lot from that but at the end of the day I still am a Rock guitar player who plays tons of pentatonic licks and sounds like
Schenker/Lynch/Roth/Gilmour because I drew a lot of my lick vocabulary from them and many other players of the 80's. Remember that the guitar has only 8 notes and they have all been played before but how and in what context you play them is what counts!
Playing the guitar infront of an audience should be a fun and enjoyable experience not a mechanical task!!! if you can't enjoy your own playing the audience will be able to tell and won't get off on it! so just get up there and ROCK IT MATE don't worry so much about the theory and stuff just enjoy yourself and your audience will do the same!

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #43 03-21-2007, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by crevis

I want to play jazz, so I study jazz. I think your music is immature in that after I've played for half as long as you have, I'm sure I will have accomplished alot more than you have. I don't have a problem with you playing what you want to play but your talent and experience doesn't back up how highly you think of yourself imo.

so many people play ibanez's and dimarzio's I don't know which one I'm supposed to be emulating.

Jazz is not be all end all crevis!!! there are many other challenging musical styles out there! and if you think that by learning Jazz you'll be the best guitarist who could play anything, well you are mistaken!!! I have no idea who is teaching you or where you are being schooled but one thing is for sure, you have not learnt one of the most important lessons: "A musician should be Humble and Modest" Think about it!!!

crevis · #44 03-21-2007, 04:23 AM

That bigheaded comment was in response to this bigheaded comment.

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Well, when you've been playing as long as me ( which I guess is longer than you've even been alive) you too might have an awakening and realise all the stuff you were chasing doesn't actualy benefit the music you want to play.

I've never claimed to be better than others but sometimes it's hard not to fight fire with fire (ie. stupid comments with stupid comments).

I don't think jazz is the be all and end all but I think jazz theory is essential to any good music, even if it isn't jazz. You know the modes, big deal, if you don't know how to use them then it means nothing. Even the worst pianist knows all the modes and basic chord theory but 99% of guitarists don't even know Ionian, so when someone does they think they know everything.

Tom Gilroy · #45 03-21-2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by crevis

I don't think jazz is the be all and end all but I think jazz theory is essential to any good music, even if it isn't jazz. You know the modes, big deal, if you don't know how to use them then it means nothing. Even the worst pianist knows all the modes and basic chord theory but 99% of guitarists don't even know Ionian, so when someone does they think they know everything.

Right yeah, because Marty Friedman, for example, can't write good music, since he, by his own admission doesn't understand musical theory.