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Old 03-20-2005, 05:31 PM
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Guitar Heroes injuries


I place this in guitar lessons cause.. well,an injurie is a hard lesson!

The other day, after a playing session during wich i had to massage my arm due to discomfort i started thinking if people like Vai, Satriani et al do deal with these things?? I mean, Vai plays like crazy, Satriani is actually playing faster these days than in the SWTA time... don't these guys put up a daily battle against things like tendinitis, tendonitis, CTS, Cubit TS, etc?? What's their story? Since there are so many die hard fans around here who knows of one of these players having to deal with what many of us do?
Do they have massages, check up's, special treatments, are they paranoid about these things? Or is it just plain luck we never heard, say Vai, going "i'm quitting guitar cause i screwed up my arm"..

Well, i´m just curious!
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Old 03-20-2005, 07:52 PM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


I've read several times that they are careful, practice often to keep in shape, and very mindful of the difference between fatigue and pain. You expect to be fatigued after practicing difficult material, but should stop immediately if you ever feel pain.
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Old 03-21-2005, 07:59 AM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


interesting thread, along the same lines i was wondering, howcome you can get RSI from using a keyboard too much yet you rarely hear any cases of people suffeirng from this who have been playing guitar all their lives?????
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Old 03-21-2005, 08:50 AM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


You get things like RSI CTS Tendonitis etc (all the names mean nothing, it all comes down to the same things) through bad posture (not just your sitting/back, this means position of your hands, fingers, feet, neck, shoulders) and tension.

Playing the guitar requires training of lots of different muscles, these muscles are joined up. When you use certain muscles, others try to help, because you haven't yet learnt to isolate the muscles you NEED to use. So when you try and do things with your fingers, your arm muscles tense up, trying (badly) to help.
Ever notice when playing something really hard, you can relax your leg muscles afterwards because they were all tensed up, or perhaps the most common one- THE FACE!.

If you allow these tensions to continue (they will be apparent when you are trying something new) your muscles become worn and damaged.

You have to try VERY hard to relax these muscles, the best way to do this is to play VERY slowly (ever tried playing at 1 note per 4 clicks at 60bpm?) and making sure you have no tensions, doing this a lot, slowly building up speed.
This is not a speed building excercise (although it helps) what you are doing is making sure you are playing with no tension, then speeding yourself up to the point where you find your self tensing, relaxing that tension, and then carrying on.

If you try and play something now, that is way beyond you (say semiquaver-sextuplets at 200 bpm), you will find you tense up to try and do this. Now if you watch some of the big players playing fast you will see they are completely relaxed.

I had a lot of problems like this, and my main points of tension were the tricep, the forearm, and the shoulder and my hands. I found myself pulling my elbow in towards my body when playing difficult passages. When you are playing, someone should be able to grab your elbow and swing it around. Find your own tensions and deal with them. This is something Yngwie mentioned when asked about his meeting with RSI, he said 'you have to find your problems and fix them'. This is something YOU have to do, you have to discover it for yourself.

Stretching well before playing is also a good idea, google for basic yoga positions or sports warmups.

If you want some great examples of relaxed fast playing check out videos of
Shawn Lane (so far the player with the best form/posture/technique I have seen, is it also a co-incidence that was one of the fastest players?).
Guthrie Govan (although he displays facial tensions, this is more related to the music he's playing, not physical tension, he plays many VERY difficult licks with a motionless face)
Yngwie Malmsteen (ignoring all the kicking/pointing/guitar throwing, this guy barely moves when playing, he really isolates his hands.
Michael Angelo Batio (really efficient playing, really bad music)
Steve Vai (brings me to my next point)

You may say, but guys like Vai are always making faces, raising their shoulders and looking like they are about to explode, whats wrong with me doing that?
These guys are IN CONTROL of these movements, they are not being forced by their bodies to make them. They are either consciously making these movements (stage presence etc), or they are in reaction to the feeling from the music. Now do NOT try and use this as an excuse for tension, any crap like 'but what i'm playing moves me so much that I have to tense up' is rubbish. If you are tensing and playing excersizes and sequences etc, I doubt this is the 'music' moving you. I absolutely guarantee that when these big players practiced they were completely relaxed, they were practicing the movements, not performing and playing their music.

wow, rant.
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Old 03-21-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


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Shawn Lane (so far the player with the best form/posture/technique I have seen, is it also a co-incidence that was one of the fastest players?).
...And I'm sure that's exactly why you never hear about many of the top players getting RSI - they're so fast because their speed comes through efficiency of motion- they don't have "repetitive stress" simply because they're moving in such a way that they're not stressing their joints. It's like a catch-22- why do we never hear about some of the best technical players getting tendonitis and RSI? Because if their technique wasn't as clean as it is, it'd have weeded them out a long time ago.

Efficiency, not speed.

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Old 03-21-2005, 12:23 PM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


This leads me to think that maybe I should try a different picking technique. I've never really been able to pick very fast. I've tried all kinds of techniques and different picking exercises.

Do most of you use your wrist for fast picking, or is it more of your thumb and finger, or both?
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Old 03-21-2005, 12:47 PM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


So basically one should light up an incense stick, do some yoga and meditation and then play with complete focus.. hum... that could be interesting..

Ghandi Rock!
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Old 03-21-2005, 04:06 PM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


I'm still a lame player, but I want to get the kind of touch on the guitar that Steve Smith has on drums. He can play light, but really intense. Frank Gambale does this as well. His fingers look as if they're floating over the strings.
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:26 AM
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Re: Guitar Heroes injuries


Spend some time on a particular aspect of your technique, a mirror can really help with this.

If it's your picking you want to have a look at, sit infront of a mirror and pick one string constantly.
Make sure you are completely relaxed, change speeds, change volumes, aim to produce as much and as little volume as possible. Try moving your pick around, changing picking fingers, changing picking angle: ever tried angling the pick away from the headstock instead of towards it?

You can usually find the answers to a lot of questions by practicing while watching and feeling what you are doing.
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