Improvisation

[Davey]

Originally Posted by Martyr Machine

I thought I'd post it here in case anybody finds it interesting or helpful.

This is the key here. Anyone taking an obnoxious attitude towards someone that is trying to contribute something positive makes more of an arse of themselves than anyone else ever could.

Good on you for trying to help MM and Crevis, like Courtney says, put up or shut up... actually, just shut up

[courtney2018]

Originally Posted by Ibanez249

This is the key here. Anyone taking an obnoxious attitude towards someone that is trying to contribute something positive makes more of an arse of themselves than anyone else ever could.

That's precisely it right there. I hope MM will continue to post things of this nature. Lately he's become Jemsite's Lessons article writer.

Crevis, you're taking all of this the wrong way. This is nothing more than an exercise in a very small portion of theory. Nothing more. Nobody said to take it and make up an entire song with it. It's for practice...nothing more.

I again ask you to make a thread labled "style" to give us your opinion on how to apply theory to style. You don't like the way MM has written this obviously, so take what he's written and write something on how you would apply it to a song style-wise.

Please don't anaylze someone elses song. Do your own. That was the whole point of the thread. It was so others could take a peak into our personal song to see how we created it. That right there will show others our personal style. It could be a very good thread if more people would contribute to it.

[crevis]

Originally Posted by courtney2018

That's precisely it right there. I hope MM will continue to post things of this nature. Lately he's become Jemsite's Lessons article writer.

Crevis, you're taking all of this the wrong way. This is nothing more than an exercise in a very small portion of theory. Nothing more. Nobody said to take it and make up an entire song with it. It's for practice...nothing more.

I again ask you to make a thread labled "style" to give us your opinion on how to apply theory to style. You don't like the way MM has written this obviously, so take what he's written and write something on how you would apply it to a song style-wise.

Please don't anaylze someone elses song. Do your own. That was the whole point of the thread. It was so others could take a peak into our personal song to see how we created it. That right there will show others our personal style. It could be a very good thread if more people would contribute to it.

Do you read all the posts before you write your huge rants? just so you know I only read the first sentence of yours because you're the most predictable person I've ever encountered.

MM has offerred some objective opinions, I have no problems with them but he has also stated facts that aren't true or misunderstood, I corrected him and somehow I'm a arsehole for it right?

[JJEMMER777]

Oh jeeze we aren't going to get into all this again are we??

Crevie, I understand and respect your opinion and where you are coming from and we all realize you are a genius!! But that aside, if you would open your mind just a wee bit, maybe you could see where all of us lesser folk are coming from and it may well actually do you some good "never look a "gift horse" in the eye

There is NO ONE WAY to create music, theory or not!!!

Now how about that tune you were supposed to post for us showcasing all that brilliant theoretical knowledge???

*tap tap tap* eh hem

[courtney2018]

Originally Posted by crevis

Do you read all the posts before you write your huge rants? just so you know I only read the first sentence of yours because you're the most predictable person I've ever encountered.

Originally Posted by JJEMMER777

Now how about that tune you were supposed to post for us showcasing all that brilliant theoretical knowledge???

*tap tap tap* eh hem

If you would put that energy into showcasing this opinion of yours instead of ranting based off of reading the first sentence of a post dealing with one small portion of music theory - pitch axis, then maybe the rest of Jemsite could actually gain something from your viewpoint on theory.

So how about that tune?

[S-man]

Originally Posted by courtney2018

Exactly! It seems like every time someone has something useful to say about music theory he chimes in and it eventually turns into a fight. I don't get why he does it. That was the whole purpose of the "Me Writing A Song" thread. He got into with someone on here talking about music theory and Jemmer gave him a challenge. It was basically a put up or shut up challenge, which he has yet to "put up".

Crevis started the thread and several of us, myself included, put up a song and analyzed it using theory. I thought it would be a great place for others to see how our songs are made up and what theory techniques we used to do it. Since he started the thread he has never posted up a song. He took a very long hiatus from here too for whatever reason. Now he's back and seems like the first thing he does is start critcizing how someone teaches alittle music theory.

Anyways, I'm glad you've decided to post about theory. Alot of people on here, I'm sure, have found it useful. And hey, if you get a chance, why don't you post a song on that thread and analyze it? I'm sure alot of people would find that useful.

Ha Ha...I remember that thread.

My opinion...talk is cheap. Post a clip or STFU.

[Martyr Machine]

What I'm saying is that pitch axis does not use any harmonic principles, you can't grasp what I'm telling you because you don't know enough about harmony.

Don't condescend to me. I'm perfectly familiar with harmony, I just choose not to disregard entire approaches to it out of elitism. I know pitch axis doesn't progress or resolve, that's the point. It has a completely different sound than any other approach to harmony. What if I want that sound during a particular section of the song? I suppose I should just suck it up because some fundamentalist jazz player doesn't approve.

[crevis]

Originally Posted by Martyr Machine

Don't condescend to me. I'm perfectly familiar with harmony, I just choose not to disregard entire approaches to it out of elitism. I know pitch axis doesn't progress or resolve, that's the point. It has a completely different sound than any other approach to harmony. What if I want that sound during a particular section of the song? I suppose I should just suck it up because some fundamentalist jazz player doesn't approve.

Pitch axis is not an approach to harmony, how times do I have to say it? If you can't grasp that fact then you don't have a clue what harmony is.

[Martyr Machine]

Originally Posted by crevis

Pitch axis is not an approach to harmony, how times do I have to say it? If you can't grasp that fact then you don't have a clue what harmony is.

A method of constructing chord progressions qualifies as an approach to harmony. You seem to be living in some sort of vacuum where "harmony" refers exclusively to one single system developed in the west, and everything else doesn't exist.

[rastachild]

gotta agree with mm on this one, harmony is basically just a series of chords placed together. whether or not these chords resolve in a traditional sense does not exclude the progression from being defined as 'harmony'.

anyone remember that song satch did on 'not of this earth' that was a perfect example of pitch axis theory? it's the first song on the cd and consists of 3 chords, with a droning pedal tone. i actually like that song, but only because it's different from what you'd typically hear.

crevis, if you are studying music, keep in mind that classically based chord progressions are not the only type of chord sequences out there. there was modal music in the renaissance era that predates baroque and classical music. that modal music didn't have any traditional resolutions and definitely didn't follow the circle of 5ths. just because you don't like it doesn't make it inherently wrong.

[Jeremiah]

as the lead guitarist at my college's jazz band and someone who gives lessons for a living...i have to say that this:

"Pitch axis is not an approach to harmony, how times do I have to say it? If you can't grasp that fact then you don't have a clue what harmony is."

is not only condescending and rude, but ignorant as hell!

i found the original post by mm interesting nonetheless.