Is talent necessary?

[Myst and rain]

Hi everyone,

I've recently started teaching someone to play guitar. It got me thinking about the following; is talent is necessary to become a good guitarist? From both a purely technical and musical point of view?

Or is it so that if you don't have enough (or any) innate talent, you might as well forget about it as you're never going to get where you'd like to be?

What are your thoughts on this?

Kind regards,
Alwin

[funkdubious]

I dont think you have to have particular technical talent to be a good guitarist. It depends what you want to achieve with your guitar. Some people are happy just to strum along,while others what to shred.

It's very subjective on what makes a good guitarist anyway, one persons guitar god is anothers guitar muppet

[sweetnsour30]

Excellent Question !! It's very subjective like it's been said, I used to teach young guyz, and I did notice some were just generally (better) than others, they understood everything, they learned faster, had an ear for music while others just didn't have it, no matter how hard they tried. Some have it easier than others, but I beleive even if you don't have as much talent as the other guy, you can still be a unique and a good guitarist if you push yourself hard, it's all about discipline ! One of the things that I beleive makes me good and unique is my ability to improvise to anything, I rely alot on my ears and theory is a big part of my playing. Just my 2 cents. Cheers.

Steph,

[Batchimp RG]

Often in music audacity is more important than anything else....

[HeavyMetal4Ever]

I've read quotes from Steve Vai to the effect that he claims he was not talented at all when he started, but he was very dedicated to practicing until he was.

So, this raises the question, What is "talent"?

By talent, I think that most people see it as a mystical ability to be excelent without practice, and that just doesn't happen(not that i've seen anyway).

Any guitarist i've ever seen or heard play well got their chops the hard way, through practice, just like the rest of us. I've never heard of anyone who picked up a guitar for the first time and shredded their socks off.

Imho it all comes down to just how focused and dedicated you can be. When you see someone play a guitar (or any instrument for that matter) with skill and flair, just think about the many many hours of practice it took them to do it. Look at your own playing, and ask yourself if talent is the reason you play the way you do, or if all the practice (or lack of) is why.

I think saying that the reason that a certain person is good at what they do is because of their natural talent totally devalues the time, effort and determination that they have put into mastering their discipline of choice.

I believe that just about anyone can display "talent" in their chosen field if they are willing to put in the hard yards.

Rock on!

[Inzane]

Originally Posted by HeavyMetal4Ever

I've read quotes from Steve Vai to the effect that he claims he was not talented at all when he started, but he was very dedicated to practicing until he was.

That's reassuring to hear as a beginner. I just wish I was starting out at age 15, instead of my current 34. (well 33, since I technically started playing/learning last year)

[HeavyMetal4Ever]

Originally Posted by Inzane

That's reassuring to hear as a beginner. I just wish I was starting out at age 15, instead of my current 34. (well 33, since I technically started playing/learning last year)

I'm pretty sure it was in the "Steve Vai 30hour guitar workout" published in Guitar World a couple of years ago.

I started when I was 13, and i'm 34 now, but I wasted years just noodling and screwing around before I got serious about practice.

Imho, it's all about the quality of time you spend on the instrument, not the quantity.

Rock on!

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Inzane

That's reassuring to hear as a beginner. I just wish I was starting out at age 15, instead of my current 34. (well 33, since I technically started playing/learning last year)

It only takes a couple years of dedicated practice to become pretty darn good. I've been playing since I was 13 and for most of those years I have been playing the same pentatonic crap and didn't learn anything new. Only recently I have been taking lessons again (at age 33) and expanding my knowledge of music theory. Find a good teacher and take lessons twice a week so you retain what you have learned better. A couple of years is all you need. fter that it's just refining your skills.

[chaos731]

It'll probably sound trite, but "talent" comes more from the "soul" than anything. If you have the ability to feel, imagine, and react to music on an emotional level, then you can be "trained" to do everything else to one degree or another.

Talent, when it comes to guitar playing, can be taught, whereas soul is innate.

[Myst and rain]

Great replies, guys. I think you guys have it right.

[taracatac]

While I think dedication and discipline can help anyone to excel in their chosen field, whether it is music or something else, talent does play a part. For example, my wife can listen to a song and play it on guitar or piano with minimal effort. I have also played with other guitarists that just "got it" much easier than I did. I always say I have minimal talent, but I practiced my a$$ off. When I was younger, I played 8 hours a day for nearly 3 years. Other guys I know could play better than I could, without the dedicated practice time.

[klp2332]

Originally Posted by chaos731

It'll probably sound trite, but "talent" comes more from the "soul" than anything. If you have the ability to feel, imagine, and react to music on an emotional level, then you can be "trained" to do everything else to one degree or another.

Talent, when it comes to guitar playing, can be taught, whereas soul is innate.

I disagree.

Nothing in this world is innate. Everything must originate and is affected by prior occurrences.

It also applies to birth. For example, on a superficial yet easy to understand level, if a pregnant mother were to execute <EventA> then the baby will be affected and be born with 'musical talent'. On the other hand if <EventB> was executed then the baby may not have 'musical talent'. Thus talent is not 'innate' in this sense.

Therefore talent or "soul" must be able to be developed.

Properties of an individual will determine 'talent', and to my defination is a "term depicting a high level of ability to satisfy the purpose(s) of music."

However,
'High level' is subjective.
The purpose of music is subjective.

It is just difficult to identify the necessary steps to alter the properties of an individual making them 'talented'.

Furthermore I don't think emotion is necessary for the production of 'good' music. It is only emotion that drives humans through very complex still scientifically unknown proccesses to perform in a particular way.

For example, a robot may be able to replicate the exact movements of a master guitarist and if you were to just listen to the recording. You wouldn't know who played it. Last time I checked robots don't have emotions.

[rastachild]

my question to you is 'for what?' if you are asking if being a talented guitarist (or musician) is necessary to be successful in the music business, then i would say no. there are quite a few guitarists who can barely play their instruments who are very successful pounding out powerchords. sad but true.

however, you don't have to be a shredder to be considered talented. there are so many styles of guitar playing that require dedication and practice to master the stylistic nuances (i.e., microtonal bends of blues playing, finger coordination for chicken pickin'/bluegrass, etc.). and then there are those who use the instrument for songwriting. they may not be 'talented' in a technical proficiency sense, but as an overall musician, they could be very talented (depending on how good their songs are, which of course is quite subjective).

[mike570]

I think "talent" lives in the world of composition and phrasing. The rest is an immense amount of practice.

[DEADTUNES666]

There are also many kinds of talent. Songwriting is a talent that takes no technical ability at all...so is performance, as well as entertainment. Right place at the right time is the biggest key to success, next is luck, determination, work ethic, perseverance, business savvy...

Steve Vai
Junior Brown
Robert Cray
Bob Dylan
Buffy Saint-Marie
Lee Ritenour
Stevie Ray Vaughn
Eric Clapton
Ace Frehley
Kurt Cobain
Neil Diamond
Steve Cropper
Bonnie Raitt
Steve Rothery
Andres Segovia
Garth Brooks

They are all guitarists and yet so different from one another, and still inspirational in some way. They all make/made a living with music...pretty amazing thing. I don't like everyone on the list but I think they are all talented...