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Old 04-23-2008, 11:44 PM
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learning the fretboard?


hi yeah i am still having issues with learning the fretboard how long did it take you guys to get it down like completely understand it, in no way the fret board could be easily learned like the piano keyboard though they are similar.
does anyone have any suggestions ? or any scale books that could help?
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:03 AM
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Re: learning the fretboard?


I learned it like math. Im not sure if it's the best way, but it worked for me and I used it with my students. I learned my first 5 frets on all the strings, and saw where it repeats itself (6th string 7th fret = 5th string 2nd fret, etc), then found my octave points (12th fret, seven frets on the adjacent string, 2 frets if you skip a string, I know this changes with the 2nd and 3rd strings). I also used the position markers as a reference. Maybe I made this over complicated, but it worked for me, possibly by accident.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:06 AM
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Re: learning the fretboard?


doesn't hurt to say notes to yourself as you play your scales, play em in all twelve keys and like magic you know where the notes are in a couple weeks. Did that for a little bit. Jut spell everything out, chords and all that, figure out which notes are which. Use the piano if you need a reference point.
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Old 04-24-2008, 05:51 AM
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i began learning it last year but then stoped, this site helped me out but i also had a book that shows a little trick on memorizing it, i cant remember the name of the book but it made it simple. You just had to memorize a certain shape, like a triangle.

http://www.fretboardmaster.com/
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Old 04-24-2008, 07:00 AM
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The name of the book is called, Rock Guitar Secrets by Peter Fischer

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/3927190624

He calls it the Magic Triangle, you have to memorize the notes on the E and A string by heart, which is simple. Then you apply the 2 triangle shapes he shows you to find every note on the freatboard. Simple and it works.

I got a scan of the 2 pages but I dont know if its safe to post so message me if you want it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:02 PM
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I drew 6 lines across a sheet of notebook paper, photocopied it, and wrote the notes onto it over and over. And I memorized notes as a series of intervals.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:25 PM
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Here's a really nice online tool that will help train you and sharpen your fretboard memorization.
http://www.musictheory.net/trainers/html/id81_en.html

You can adjust it up to 12 frets. Great little tool...very very helpful.
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:37 PM
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I learned the fretboard by writing out scale patterns on paper. This also helped me to visual intervals between strings like octaves, fifths and thirds so that made it easier to learn all the notes very quickly.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:56 PM
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http://www.talmorrismusic.com/lessons.cfm
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Old 05-18-2008, 03:20 AM
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hi yeah i am still having issues with learning the fretboard how long did it take you guys to get it down like completely understand it, in no way the fret board could be easily learned like the piano keyboard though they are similar.
does anyone have any suggestions ? or any scale books that could help?
Hi pianistturnedguitarist,

I am an accordianist turned keyboardist turned drummer turned guitarist...
...with a whole lotta guitar goin' on these days! )

If I were you, with what I know now, I'd learn the Blues Scale inside and out (the pentatonic scale with the Blue Note added). Don't take my word for it...just look at Eric Clapton, or Robin Trower, or Walter Trout, Joe Bonamasa, etc., etc.

The following graphic is a great resource for this; just print it out and go to town:
http://www.torvund.net/guitar/index....nt_box_all_pos

Learn the five boxes cold. While you practice/learn them, also play them along to any song.

Yes, you will eventually need to learn the notes, but that will come naturally along in its own time.

BUT I REPEAT -- LEARN THE BLUES SCALE. You can start playing along to music very quickly (which makes the guitar so much fun). As soon as you learn the scale, you can play just a few notes in a song and quickly identify the key it is being played in (and once you learn to do this, you will be "airborne"), and this is when you play/practice the 5 box positions all over that fretboard--along to music! Just start playing your notes slow in the 5 box positions, and speed will come naturally in its own time. Just make every note count. After a while you should begin to see the endless mathematical variations of what can be played and at what speeds and in what combinations--it's a wonderland on that fretboard.

Here's another sweet secret that makes everything simple. Major pentatonic, minor pentatonic...forget this way of looking at the guitar fretboard. Instead, just consider that there is only the pentatonic scale (and of course finally add the Blue Note and you'll have the Blues Scale).

What I mean specifically is best explained by example, and I will use the link I provided above for this:

The 5 box positions you see are for the scale of Em Minor and for the scale of C Major...but the scale you are looking at is only one scale. This means, for me, whenever I play I immediately see the scale and name it as the minor (I could just as easily refer to it in my mind as the major, but I keep it simple; i.e., I look at all key scales on the guitar as the relative minor). In this example, I would refer to it in my mind as playing the scale of Em...I believe in that old axiom of trying to keep things simple.

The pentatonic scale will make your practice become like playing, and this is great fun, and if you do this a lot, your progress on playing the guitar will become very accelerated.

Have fun--the guitar is a universe of fun unto itself!

quick
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:33 AM
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Hi pianistturnedguitarist,

The following graphic is a great resource for this; just print it out and go to town:
http://www.torvund.net/guitar/index....nt_box_all_pos
That page is a weak. Box 3 is wrong and there are no blue notes listed as you recommend. Here is a better one for standard:

http://www.theorylessons.com/pentpos.html

One with "blue notes" (the "blue notes" are the ones that are b5):

http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/blues/page3.php

Along with knowing the pentatonics, I would recommend learning the seven three-note-per-string scales: Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, and Locrian. Once you memorize their pattern in relation to each other, you will be able to play in any key and utilize the entire fretboard and won't be limited just to blues and pentatonic. These scales will also help you work on your picking dexterity as well.

http://www.ibreathemusic.com/print/86
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Old 06-08-2008, 01:09 AM
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doesn't hurt to say notes to yourself as you play your scales, play em in all twelve keys and like magic you know where the notes are in a couple weeks. Did that for a little bit. Jut spell everything out, chords and all that, figure out which notes are which. Use the piano if you need a reference point.
yes! this helped me immensely when I set out to learn the neck. each day i would pick a key and play it in all 5 positions saying the notes as i played them. i also would form triads all over the fretboard and pick out the notes in the chord, saying them as well.

when i started out, i only bothered learning where the natural notes were, the sharps and flats are a natural extension and just fall into place. so one of my other exercises was to go up and down each string from 1 to 24 and pick out the natural notes, again saying them while playing them.

once i started getting them down, i made myself flash cards. one pile had a card for each of the 12 notes and one pile had cards numbered 1 to 6 for each string. i would sit with my guitar and mix up the individual piles and then draw a card from each one, specifying a note and a string. i'd find and play that note as quickly as possible. i still have those cards in one of my cases and pull them out every so often.
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Old 06-12-2008, 06:54 PM
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I used "three notes per string" scales and said the note names out loud as i played them. I also said the note names out loud as i played arpeggios.
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Old 08-05-2008, 11:29 PM
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Re: learning the fretboard?


well ive been playing for about a year now and im still trying to learn

a great way is to just practice your scales

my teach give suggestions like during commercials on tv just get ur guitar and go up and down or in the dark just get your fingers adjusted

but yeah like i said im still working on it but dont worry ull get there
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Old 08-06-2008, 12:00 AM
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Make sure you don't spend all your time learning the modes and their positions in a relative fashion, ie) C Ionian then D Dorian then E Phrygian, Then F Lydian etc etc....unless you want to limit your playing to the 7 same notes played over and over again in the same key...The best way to learn modes and other scales is to spend the majority of your time practicing from a parallel perspective, off of one root note ie) G Ionian then G Dorian the G Phrygian, then G Lydian etc, and mix up the order randomly and throw all sorts of scales in there (Harmonic minor modes, exotic scales etc....) so you can really hear the difference in the intervals of the various modes/scales.
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