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Old 01-26-2006, 07:09 PM
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make soloing ?!?!?!?!?!??


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i'm playing guitar since 5yrs without lessons, just some crap that i found on internet. I can play every song of zakk wylde but not the solo. so, i can play most of all song of anybody but if have a solo, i can't do it. since 1 week i start to practice zakk wylde's boot camp, in guitar world. i can play everything but without crazy speed. probably with some month of pratice i will be able to do speed like the original. (sorry for my english, my first language is french!!!). but i would like to know how can i have some exercice to CREATE some solo. in guitarpro they have many many many scales, but, ok, i will learn some pentatonic patterns but after ????lol. i have a serious problem, lol,

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Old 01-27-2006, 07:22 AM
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Re: make soloing ?!?!?!?!?!??


Learn your pentatonics on the entire neck, and listen to some blues guitarists and try to emulate them. Most of rock soloing is based on the blues, so once you get a hang of it, you should be pretty comfortable in a rock soloing context...

That's the first step of course, than you'd want to break out of the patterns, etc..., but that's more advanced.

Also, a good teacher could help you a lot too.
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Old 01-27-2006, 08:51 AM
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Re: make soloing ?!?!?!?!?!??


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Learn your pentatonics on the entire neck, and listen to some blues guitarists and try to emulate them. Most of rock soloing is based on the blues, so once you get a hang of it, you should be pretty comfortable in a rock soloing context...
+1

Also learn to chill out and take your time learning, soak up the tones.
The impression i get from your post, is that you are hindering your learning capabilities by wanting to learn everything all at once.
I dont think 5 yrs is bad to learn ALL the Zakk Wylde tunes (minus the solos), he can be a pretty complex Riffmeister when he wants to be LOL

Considering everybody learns at different levels and speeds, and just to get your fingers in a position to play a chord takes some players months to get right....................your doing alright, dont let anyone tell you differently

Why not try and learn ONE or TWO solo throughly first, until it becomes second nature to play the 'patterns' of notes that Zakk uses??
You'll find that the rest of his solos become more familiar and easier to learn because 'he has done that phrase' before.

Remember!! Zakk Wylde plays like Zakk Wylde,sounds like Zakk Wylde because he is Zakk Wylde.
One day all will fit into place and.........Hey you have your own style!!!!!!!

Keep Cool M8ty and enjoy what you are learning!!!!!
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Old 01-27-2006, 08:55 AM
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Re: make soloing ?!?!?!?!?!??


try looking at modes man, it helped me loads, then find out which chords you can associate with which modes
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Old 01-28-2006, 04:41 PM
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Re: make soloing ?!?!?!?!?!??


For soloing, you need to practice alternate picking and scales a lot (woodshedding). It is a lot different than practicing the "song" which I assume by that you mean the chord progressions.

It can take years to get good at alternate picking depending on your diligence and other factors. Practice/learn the pentatonic scale(s) and the blues scale but Mr. S hit it on the head, the modes are the holy grail as far as I'm concerned for soloing.

I've been playing 25 years and I took lessons only for 5 months when I started. I learned the basic blues scale but practiced alternate picking until I got good at it. Then I learned some of the pentatonic stuff. I could play (ape) most anything I wanted rhythm and solo. But I was never good at jamming/soloing because I didn't "get it". I could burn in one position blues or pentatonic, but how to move around in key - I was lost.

Around January of 2005, I bought a book/DVD called "Shred is not Dead" by Terry Syrek and first learned about the modes and I could finally understand what I had been missing all along. Another excellent book is "The Exercise Book" by Adam Kadmon which has all the modes in it with tons of exercises involving them. Like Pawel said, lessons from a good teacher might be a much better way to go for you. A good teacher can help you to not pick up any bad habits on the way and help speed your learning if that's what you want.

The modes are sometimes referred to as 3 note per string scales and there are 7 of them - Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, and Locrian. If you practice the heck out of them it will not only help your alternate picking but help you learn theory and how to move from one mode to the other up and down the fretboard.

Another thing to consider is buying some kind of jam tracks to practice your soloing in different keys. Another book "Shred Guitar" by Paul Hanson has not only lots of good licks/sequences to practice but also has a CD with lots of jam tracks on it. The Fender G-DEC amp is also great for jamming practice but it will set you back about $269. But you can practice in many different styles with it and change each one to any key you want. And it's not a bad little amp (but definitely not great) to boot.
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