Sweep runs

[texshred777]

Hey people. I've noticed some people doing some really great runs using sweeps. Problem is for me..I tend to use the Vai type sweeps more...especially sweeps like in the animal or on the solo fill in 'my guitar wants to eat your mama'. So doing runs with them is almost completely unknown to me. I know i could just move the patterns or whatever up the neck in different intervals...but it doesnt get that linear sound like paul gilbert and some really awesome jazz fusion shredders get. I met one who called it a '5 note sweep pattern' he moves down the strings...but none of this is registering to me. I've never taken lessons, never needed it..Does anyone know of any books that have stuff like that in it?

[BrianH]

I'll be doing an arpeggio and sweep picking lesson soon... I don't know of any books that really cover the topic well, they just touch it here or there, I can't think of any videos either that really go into sweep picking uses, only the semantics.

[texshred777]

I guess buying a tab book with Yngwie or Gilbert would probably be the only thing eh? After all...that and watching the G3 video a million times is what helped me learn the 'Vai method' for sweeps. I cant remember the names of any of the other guys who do a lot of the linear runs with them. Any you know off the top of your head? I guess that would be great help.
Thanks.

[caprile]

pg won't help much unless you want string-skipped arpeggios. michael romeo can sweep pretty good too.

[BrianH]

Personally, I like Vinnie Moore, I love his sweeps. Yngwie is also another good one. Frank Gambale(he is insane though...).

[texshred777]

Thanks, I haven't found many artists who use that particular phrasing when using sweeps. I've heard plenty just go staight down an arpeggio...but not through a long linear run. I'll look into Frank Gambale. To be honest...I dont remember Gambale. What's a prefered listening? And is there a music book that would go with it.

[Two hands31]

Originally Posted by texshred777

'my guitar wants to eat your mama'

er...kill, right?

[texshred777]

ew...i guess the pointy headed thing had a milf moment...sorry about that...

[texshred777]

Goddam-n dude...I'm still cracking up about that and what must've been going through your head when you found that....:rotf:

[BrianH]

Well, I suppose you can break sweeps down into two categories

1. arpeggios
2. scalar

however, I'd almost bet behind every so called scalar sweep, there is an underlying arpeggio, or tonal center. I don't listen to Gilbert at all, not that I don't like him, I just don't have any of his stuff... so I'm not sure exactly the runs you are referring too. But a basic rule is staying within the key and tonal center you can build whatever sweep pattern you want from your scale(mode) of choice. I'll be talking about his later on in the lessons section...

[ripl3y]

Very simple and the first sweep I was ever taught (and is now an integral part of my warmup), but it can be effective when played well and can be played anywhere:-

______8_12_8__________7_10_7_________5_8_5________ _4-7_4_____
___10________10_____8________8_____6_______6_____5 _______5___
_9______________9_7____________7_5___________5_4__ _________4_
__________________________________________________ ___________
__________________________________________________ ___________
__________________________________________________ ___________

_____5_8_5____________8_12_8______________12_17_12 ___________
___5_______5_______10________10________13_________ _13________
_5___________5 S 9______________9 S 14_________________14_____
__________________________________________________ ___________
__________________________________________________ ___________
__________________________________________________ ___________


S = Slide
Note:- On the high E, 8 pulls off to 12, 7 pulls off to 10, 5 pulls off to 8 etc...(I couldn't get the text formatting correct to included the ^ symbol in the correct alignment)

Steve

[texshred777]

I can sweep...patterns like this are no problem for me...its the long linear sounding 'scalar' based ones that go from the low e that cycle in 4 or 5 note patterns that I'm interested in. I know basically what to do..its just that something's not clicking and something isnt' being done correctly. It's not the most common form of sweeping...and I kinda learned a little about it from a local jazz fusion shredder who listens to a lot of allan holdsworth..if that helps any.

[Giant Steps]

You're definitely talking Gambale's style there. Holdsworth doesn't sweep a whole lot, he uses string skipping legato arpeggios generally.

Do you mean something like this?



--Am9------------Em7b9---------B7b9---------------Em11
-----------------------------------------------------------------------T
E-------------------------------------------8------------------------------------------|
B--------------------------6-------------12--10h12--------10h15-20p15p10-------|
G---------4--------------9--7h9-------7------------7h9s12-------------------12s9-|
D-------7---5h7-------5--------5h7s9-----------------------------------------------|
A-----3---------3h5s7----------------------------------------------------------------|
E-3s5---------------------------------------------------------------------------------|




Good Cheese,
-VIG-

[Courjan]

http://www.marcelcoenen.com

check out Marcel Coenen's website.
under 'instruction' link there are a lot of sweep ideas and exercises.

And believe me this guy is really good in sweeping.

BTW he's a JEM/UV player