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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-09-2012, 09:44 PM Thread Starter
 
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Tuning my guitar low B to B, six string

I know there are 26"-28" inch baritone guitars but sometimes I like to detune one of my regular electric guitars to a low C to C or low B to B.

With my regular setup on my electric I have either 9-42 or 10-46 roundwounds for tuning in E. When I tune D to D I am always happier with 10-46.

But what about going really low C to C, or even B to B on a regular scaled guitar neck? I have 12-52 right not and while the intonation is there, it just seems a bit loose feeling (akin to standard six string tuning with fly away 8-38 strings).

Have any of you done this (super low tuning on standard electric guitar), and is 13-56 better for a low tuning on standard guitar? I know regular scale 7 string Ibanezes do have that extra low B and does well with intonation and feel and I suspect a set may be 9-52, or 9-56 for a seven string set.

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post #2 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-09-2012, 11:16 PM
 
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Re: Tuning my guitar low B to B, six string

Ernie Ball 10's for 7 string at 10-56. I have a RG321MH that stays in C standard with a set of 12's on it. They feel fine to me.
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Ernie Ball 10's for 7 string at 10-56. I have a RG321MH that stays in C standard with a set of 12's on it. They feel fine to me.
Thanks for the reply.

I will raise the action some and redo intonation and see if I like that better. I know that 13s would probably be perfect for me to tune B to B, but I will give the 12s a shot. The action may just be too low. I don't want to shred on it so action doesn't have to be super fast.

update:

This morning I played it and I noticed there was little or no buzzing so action may stay the same but either I have to get used to the floppy feeling of the strings B to B or go with 13s. For both jazz and punk rock, I loved my 13 flatwounds. Clean of course in standard tuning or E flat to E flat, or D to D, they were taught and had a mellow tone so perfect for traditional jazz. For rock and de-tuned B to B and through 100 watt Marshalls they were great for distorted chording and had a huge tone and had just enough tension to feel like 9-42s in standard tuning so I didn't have to adjust my pick attack. I may eventually go with roundwound 13s with wound third for the B to B tuning in a standard length neck.

I thought about the RGD which can go with 9s and standard tuning, but also go with much heavier strings and do almost any down-tuned arrangement. The 26.5" inch neck feels like a guitar but adds enough tension to down-tuned settings.

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Re: Tuning my guitar low B to B, six string

I play drop B on my Jem and use flat wound 12's so going to 13's for the B tuning is what I would do. Like you I love the sound of the flats when playing down low.

Playing 12's that low is just like playing 10's in standard on my guitar, so much so that when I decided to make the switch to the low tuning and string gauge that I didn't have to reset up anything on the guitar as the string tension was so close that I never noticed.
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Re: Tuning my guitar low B to B, six string

I put on a standard set of 12s and tuned it from C# to C# and it works really well and feels a lot like 10-46 tuned E to E.

These 12s are roundwound and they work out pretty well with the Bigsby though tuning stability isn't as solid as on the 10-46 and E to E tuning. I can see where a scale at least 25.5" inches is desirable for dropped tunings over a Gibson 24.75" inch scale.

I do love the new Ibanez RGD with slightly longer 26.5" inch scale that I have seen with 10-46 for dropped D to D, and it would similarly be great for C# to C#.
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Re: Tuning my guitar low B to B, six string

I've done drop C with 11's... not sure what the problem is with 12's. Maybe check your truss rod adjustment?
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I've done drop C with 11's... not sure what the problem is with 12's. Maybe check your truss rod adjustment?
When I was B to B everything buzzed a lot more on the 4th, 5th, and 6th strings. With the extra tension of going C to C, then C# to C# solved the buzzing issue. When I increased the size of nut slot at nut, the tuning was a little more stable.

I think while tuning is OK with the Bigsby, it's still best with E to E, or even F to F tuning. The locking Grover tuners help greatly, especially on frequent string gauge changes as I have done on this guitar. The neck of the ESP/LTD Viper 301 is rock solid and usually doesn't need a truss rod adjustment unless there's a radical weather change. Slight buzzing issues don't show up on the amp. If I went back to the stop tailpiece I know I wouldn't have some tuning issues as it's never that easy with a Bigsby once you are used to Kahlers, Floyds, and Edge trems.
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post #8 of 8 (permalink) Old 12-10-2012, 05:43 PM
 
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Re: Tuning my guitar low B to B, six string

Get a .10-.46 set and a single .62.

Ditch the .10 and string it like normal.

As for buzzing, just give it a full setup that works for that tuning and the guitar will have normal buzz like any guitar in normal E standard.
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