A change of pace: Phrasing and Soul

ibanezcollector · #1 10-12-2006, 01:15 AM

Sometimes people forget its not about 1000 notes per second and just pure shred. This is some of the best of all time in my book and I would take there skill over any satch,vai,petrucci, gilbert skill..

Wes Montgomery: What needs to be said, that man was the epitomy of cool to me.. His use of octaves is just jaw dropping
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLubToSago

Joe Pass: another master of jazz guitar, he is the master of walking a bassline while comping in my eyes..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNca...elated&search=

Andres Segovia: no words can describe what this man is capable of.. He is the ultimate classical guitarist.. It makes me sick just watching how accurate he is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efHwnFAkuA

Grant Green: Grant is my favorite jazz guitarist of all time, and he just doesnt get the credit hes deserved. Check out any of his recording there just jaw dropping and his tone WOW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AsWLMUdIZk

George Benson: One of the most amazing performers ever, his guitar skills, his vocal abilities, his phrasing, hes the man..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQBxO...elated&search=

Just want to let others out there know there is always something to learn from other forms of music, To truly become a good musician you need to be diversified. Never limit yourself to just current music. You may miss out on some of the best music ever written..

Carry On,
Brett

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #2 10-12-2006, 01:41 AM

"If you limit yourself to only 1 style or genere then you are simply a guitarist but if you broaden your scope and incorporate and play ANY genere or style then you are a MUSICIAN" I'm quoting my guitar professor I will never forget those words.

jemplayer55 · #3 10-12-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S

"If you limit yourself to only 1 style or genere then you are simply a guitarist but if you broaden your scope and incorporate and play ANY genere or style then you are a MUSICIAN" I'm quoting my guitar professor I will never forget those words.

Man..... ain't those some words of truth!

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #4 10-12-2006, 02:11 AM

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Man..... ain't those some words of truth!

Yup! and I do take them very seriously. He helped me inmensely to learn and appreciate other music generes. I am really grateful to him.

mi2tom · #5 10-12-2006, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S

"If you limit yourself to only 1 style or genere then you are simply a guitarist but if you broaden your scope and incorporate and play ANY genere or style then you are a MUSICIAN" I'm quoting my guitar professor I will never forget those words.

Agreed!!!

fettouhi · #6 10-12-2006, 02:06 PM

Sweet!

Regards

André

rastachild · #7 10-12-2006, 02:27 PM

lol. well i'm a little thrown off by the thread title. i don't see the correlation between 'expand your horizons, listen to different genres' and 'phrasing and soul'. are you saying only classical and jazz guitars can phrase or have soul? cause if so, i'd say you're sorely mistaken. and if you are versed well in those genres, you'd realize that '1000 notes per second' burst of speed occur in jazz and classical music all the time...where do you think the rock players got those ideas from in the first place??? lol.

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #8 10-12-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rastachild

lol. well i'm a little thrown off by the thread title. i don't see the correlation between 'expand your horizons, listen to different genres' and 'phrasing and soul'. are you saying only classical and jazz guitars can phrase or have soul? cause if so, i'd say you're sorely mistaken. and if you are versed well in those genres, you'd realize that '1000 notes per second' burst of speed occur in jazz and classical music all the time...where do you think the rock players got those ideas from in the first place??? lol.

You are right! but I think what he meant by it was the idea to broaden your view, and not just limit yourself to Satriani, Vai etc... but listen to other things as well to enrich you as a musician.

ibanezcollector · #9 10-12-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S

You are right! but I think what he meant by it was the idea to broaden your view, and not just limit yourself to Satriani, Vai etc... but listen to other things as well to enrich you as a musician.

thanks Olie..

Yeah I know I will get shot in the face by saying it, but some of the shredders are soul-less, NOT ALL OF THEM, but some of them are just going thru a routine.. No emotion in there playing..

Same goes for every genre there are jazz musicians that are extremely good but no soul.. There are metal bands the same.

These guys just impass such a vibe about them, there feeling, there phrasing, there whole aura is just pure magic. They turn a normal song into a emotional thing. Almost to the point there speaking to you versus just rattling on a guitar.

rastachild · #10 10-12-2006, 06:43 PM

i understand what you are trying to say, i'm just saying terms such as 'soulful' and 'emotional' are subjective. some of the 'shredders' you listed in your initial post (vai and satriani for example) are actually players many people would list as some of the most 'soulful' or 'expressive' players, mainly due to the way they build a song around a melody.

conversely, some of the greatest players in jazz are total 'shredders'. ever hear coltrane's 'giant steps'? talk about shredding through some difficult changes. yet that tune is revered as a classic and not just for the technical aspects of it.

i think people get this misconception going that you can have speed and technique or opt for emotion and soul. technique and speed are tools to express yourself musically. and whether that expression manifests itself as whole notes laden with vibrato or 128th note flurries, as long as the artist is being true to what they feel and what they are trying to convey, then that music is 'emotional' or 'soulful'. whether the listener will be able get the same emotion or vibe is irrelevant imo, because everyone interprets music differently.

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #11 10-12-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rastachild

i understand what you are trying to say, i'm just saying terms such as 'soulful' and 'emotional' are subjective. some of the 'shredders' you listed in your initial post (vai and satriani for example) are actually players many people would list as some of the most 'soulful' or 'expressive' players, mainly due to the way they build a song around a melody.

conversely, some of the greatest players in jazz are total 'shredders'. ever hear coltrane's 'giant steps'? talk about shredding through some difficult changes. yet that tune is revered as a classic and not just for the technical aspects of it.

i think people get this misconception going that you can have speed and technique or opt for emotion and soul. technique and speed are tools to express yourself musically. and whether that expression manifests itself as whole notes laden with vibrato or 128th note flurries, as long as the artist is being true to what they feel and what they are trying to convey, then that music is 'emotional' or 'soulful'. whether the listener will be able get the same emotion or vibe is irrelevant imo, because everyone interprets music differently.

I agree with your assessment, I think In essence we're all trying to say the same thing which is: slow doesn't necessarily mean soulful nor fast necessarily means senseless shredding, a good musician will use the tools he/she has to express themselves and the more versed you are in different generes the more interesting you will be, just as a painter would choose different colors, brushes, canvas and techniques for his paintings.

satchboogeyman · #12 10-12-2006, 08:04 PM

I'll have to check out some of those links. I have heard of most of those guys,but havent heard alot of there music.

When I am in a mood for a change of styles. I listen to Pink Floyd. I really like David Gilmour's style.

ibanezcollector · #13 10-12-2006, 08:04 PM

good analogy Olie... Thats it in a nutshell..

Dont limit yourself to one color or type of paint for your artwork

pawel · #14 10-12-2006, 09:06 PM

All excellent players there, here are some videos from other greats:

Ted Greene 1
Ted Greene 2

Lenny Breau

Chet Atkins

C.Thep · #15 10-12-2006, 10:02 PM

That was really nice. I never looked in to Benson very much but I certainly will.

Green wasn't that great. I've seen many better classical guitarists than Segovia.

I thought this was a cool jazz piece too. (don't kill me!!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsYfLjsHBDE

I still prefer classical though