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Old 05-23-2006, 05:26 PM
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Re: Has Vai progressed?


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I think Vai has changed a bit, but i think ALL of Vais music is great

exept some of the wierd stuff on ultra zone...
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Old 05-23-2006, 05:52 PM
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Re: Has Vai progressed?


this question prompted me to look at my own playing over the years.
its true that im still playing the same licks that I was 20 years ago.
its also true that ive stopped playing the crap that I was playing 20 years ago
and its further true that ive added MANY different styles and other things which I will never use in general playing but enhance my playing nonetheless.

every guitarist experiences this, its called getting older, you play the stuff you were playing 10 years ago a little more selectively and a LOT more professionally, but all the time you seek to improve but...as you get better improvements are harder to come by.

"an amateur practices until he gets it right, a professional plays it until he cant get it wrong"

Jaden.
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Old 05-23-2006, 05:56 PM
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Re: Has Vai progressed?


I think I'd say that Vai's progress is a mixed bag..

songwriting has definitely improved in my mind. Vai didn't write songs like Lotus Feet or Principessa during his days with DLR.

tastefulness has increased tenfold. He's more able to use that perfect tone to nail a moment in songs more. "Whispering a Prayer" is a great example of using the right tone and the right effect, as opposed to using a trick just to use it.

technique is holding steady. I think Vai's still one of the more interesting and fluid players in terms of legato and vibrato.

speed is definitely an area he's neglected. I think it would be stupid to believe Steve is incapable of playing as fast as he did in the past, but he definitely seems to have backed away on it over the years. ALS is packed full of exceptional playing, FireGarden has it's moments, despite several unimpressive solos. The Ultra Zone is mostly unimpressive, except Windows to the Soul. Though I love Alive in an Ultra World, it's largely devoid of much technical difficulty. On the newest album, only Freak Show Excess really breaks the mid-tempo range.

And there's something else missing, I don't even know what to call it except transcendence. When I'm listening to "Juice" or "Slip of the Tongue", the song grows and develops during the solos. "Juice" goes from a typical hard rock boogie to a hyper-active buildup that I enjoy tremendously. The same is true of "Tender Surrender" and "Slip of the Tongue" in that the solos don't just serve as a chance to show off, but they really make the song more interesting and they raise it to a different level. I think that's really missing in his newer stuff.

More than anything, I really think Steve should get back to basics. Drop the goofy story lines and the singing, turn the synth off, and step away from the MIDI. Just get your guitar and your amp and your old rack system and remember what made you famous- absolutely stunning end-to-end lead playing, exotic and obtuse melodies, and a sense of humor.
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Old 05-23-2006, 06:13 PM
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Re: Has Vai progressed?


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Listen to PAW and then Real Illusions and then ask yourself if he's progressed
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Old 05-23-2006, 06:17 PM
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"an amateur practices until he gets it right, a professional plays it until he cant get it wrong"

Jaden.

I'm still practising!!!
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Old 05-23-2006, 08:40 PM
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Re: Has Vai progressed?


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More than anything, I really think Steve should get back to basics. Drop the goofy story lines and the singing, turn the synth off, and step away from the MIDI. Just get your guitar and your amp and your old rack system and remember what made you famous- absolutely stunning end-to-end lead playing, exotic and obtuse melodies, and a sense of humor.
yeah, kind of what ive been thinking seince ALS, altho id never fault anybody for trying to do somthing differnt. its just that for me ALS is where it started and aside from a few other songs no album has come close to the feel of that one.
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Old 05-31-2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: Has Vai progressed?


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I have listened to quite a few Vai albums and watched the live DVD's but has he really prodgressed his playing since the 1980's. I have just seen a clip from a Zappa gig in 1982 pulling off the same licks and moves he does now!
Interesting topic. Well for me, the best Vai recording is Flexable. There's something I like about the lo-fi style in which it was made. I would rather listen to that, or maybe Passion & Warfare, rather than anything else he's done since. So for me, nope, he hasn't progressed in a way that I expected him to, especially since he started singing too. *Help...
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Old 06-01-2006, 08:12 PM
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Re: Has Vai progressed?


I think Passion and Warfare was some progression for Vai. Not too much since, arguably not at all...
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