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Old 02-08-2013, 12:07 AM
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My contribution to a jam on guitarristas.info


Hi,

I contributed to a jam thread on guitarristas.info.

It has turned out rather Gambalish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNlDEMu69nQ

Hope you guys like it.

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JP
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:13 PM
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Re: My contribution to a jam on guitarristas.info


You're playing is way too out for me. It's never really grounded to the backing track's key. I'm not sure if that's your intention, but it would sound better to me if you spent more time playing in key.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:02 PM
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Re: My contribution to a jam on guitarristas.info


Hi,

Hmm, I noticed when reproduced on 3d sound systems (PC stuff like lOgitech and all that) it spounds weird, and sounds like it looses the tone. The piece is in Dm, and let me assure you that I play DM (on some moments). Try listening to it with headphones and just plain EQ settings. I admit I'm totally freaking out starting the second run.

In any case, thank you for your feedback.

Regards,

JP
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:14 PM
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Re: My contribution to a jam on guitarristas.info


As to the root, it is DM, but I tend to approach that as F mixolydian... If that is of any help
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:23 PM
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Not sure I should take, since you are way over my skill level, but as an audience member, I found myself wanting it to resolve more often. Until about :35 in, I was really enjoying what you had set up. It resolved where I wanted it to, and you threw in some parts that seemed "out of key" but weren't so much that they really bothered me. Once you start really shredding, two thoughts come into my head. 1. As a guitarist, I'm sitting here being jealous. You can really cruise through that stuff and make it look effortless and sound good. 2. As a casual listener; when is this going to come back to the melody or resolve? Seems like you are thinking more technically. Maybe cut off the shredding after a few bars, and come back to the melody that you established. Ask and answer, if you know what I mean.

I like what you have at the start, at 1:50, and at 3:20. In between it felt like you were just trying to play as quickly as possible.

The two things I would have liked to hear: 1. More variance in rhythm. During the middle parts, there were literally a minute or more of straight 32nd notes (or whatever you are playing) 2. What you are playing is only as good as the way it relates to the background track. I would like to hear what you played without the bg track, it might sound awesome, but it doesn't blend with what you are playing over (during the shredding).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmsj6LQk8HE This def leppard solo kind demonstrates what I mean. Even when Phil shreds, he has the end of the phrase in mind.

Sounds critical, but more than what criticism Ive given, Im truly jealous of your skills, and couldn't have done 1/4 of what you did.

EDIT: Just found this video. I took some valuable things away from it, you guys might also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFr3TRN2CWk

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:11 PM
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Re: My contribution to a jam on guitarristas.info


You obviously have technical skill but I think you played way too many notes for my liking...I think it may have been more effective to play fewer notes with more melody...not trying to be critical because I don't like to criticize other peoples' playing, and you obviously have skill, and I appreciate you posting music, I'm just trying to give you a listener's perspective...but then maybe your objective was to shred.

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:26 PM
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You obviously have technical skill but I think you played way too many notes for my liking...I think it would be more effective to play fewer notes with more melody...not trying to be critical because you obviously have skill - I'm just trying to give you a listener's perspective...but then maybe your objective was to shred for 5 minutes...
I wasn't planning on going full shred, it just happened and I ended up shredding 5 minutes. Lost all notion of time, lol So, yes, it's too many notes, but I had fun playing it, and I found it good enough to post, so soit.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:31 PM
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but I had fun playing it
That is the main thing
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:34 PM
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Not sure I should take, since you are way over my skill level, but as an audience member, I found myself wanting it to resolve more often. Until about :35 in, I was really enjoying what you had set up. It resolved where I wanted it to, and you threw in some parts that seemed "out of key" but weren't so much that they really bothered me. Once you start really shredding, two thoughts come into my head. 1. As a guitarist, I'm sitting here being jealous. You can really cruise through that stuff and make it look effortless and sound good. 2. As a casual listener; when is this going to come back to the melody or resolve? Seems like you are thinking more technically. Maybe cut off the shredding after a few bars, and come back to the melody that you established. Ask and answer, if you know what I mean.

I like what you have at the start, at 1:50, and at 3:20. In between it felt like you were just trying to play as quickly as possible.

The two things I would have liked to hear: 1. More variance in rhythm. During the middle parts, there were literally a minute or more of straight 32nd notes (or whatever you are playing) 2. What you are playing is only as good as the way it relates to the background track. I would like to hear what you played without the bg track, it might sound awesome, but it doesn't blend with what you are playing over (during the shredding).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmsj6LQk8HE This def leppard solo kind demonstrates what I mean. Even when Phil shreds, he has the end of the phrase in mind.

Sounds critical, but more than what criticism Ive given, Im truly jealous of your skills, and couldn't have done 1/4 of what you did.

EDIT: Just found this video. I took some valuable things away from it, you guys might also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFr3TRN2CWk
Fisrt, thank you so much for taking time to listen to the jam.

I sort of started to make very long phrases, that would resolve into some blues licks. What I noticed while playing, is that I was enjoying it intensively

You know what? I'm going to fiddle around with it some more, and make a serious effort to do something beyond mindless shredding. There is another version that is like 25% tapping. If I combine the two, it should be interesting. I was (trying to) play(ing) triplets and sextuplets mostly.

So, in the words of the Terminator; "I'll be back"...

For those who want to have a go at the tune themselves, it's available in this thread: http://www.guitarristas.info/foros/baladita-dm/209189

Again, thank for your time and effort, I really appreciate it. Thank you for the kudos on my skills.

Regards,

JP
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:34 PM
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Re: My contribution to a jam on guitarristas.info


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As to the root, it is DM, but I tend to approach that as F mixolydian... If that is of any help
What help is this supposed to be? D minor has nothing to do with F Mixolydian. I guess that explains the dissonance. D minor's Mixolydian would be in C, not F. And the minor for F Mixolydian would be G, not D.
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:45 PM
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What help is this supposed to be? D minor has nothing to do with F Mixolydian. I guess that explains the dissonance. D minor's Mixolydian would be in C, not F. And the minor for F Mixolydian would be G, not D.
You are completely right. The sweeps I do are indeed a C major that resolves to Dm. Thank you for correcting me.

In any case, when I improvise over music that is not my own composition, I always seek point to which I can orientate, and in this tune it is the F centered first lick. F is the Third of the Dm scale in fact. And yes, I like a little dissonance at times. It can be so wonderfully contrasting at times.

Thank you for your time.

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Old 02-08-2013, 08:12 PM
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If you are having fun, you're doing it right. After re reading my last post, it sounded more critical than intended. Thanks for sharing the video with us. I enjoyed it and learned some
Things too.
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