Wes Borland, like him or not, he was...

[jemplayer55]

Originally Posted by Jemface

Go back and listen to his older riffs. Check out songs like 'Nookie' and 'Stalemate'. I don't rate his current 'soundscape' persona either.




Drop the childish sarcasm.

It's a shame you're so blinkered as to be unable to appreciate one of the most innovative rhythm guitarists of our time, and would rather make comments such as this.

And give credit where it's due - Limp Bizkit were fantastically good at what they did. It may not be to your tastes, but it was brilliant Nu-Metal.

I have listened to their material. So I guess Wes meets your criteria for a dedicated thread?

And once again..... you've missed where I gave them "credit"?

Now as far as the personal attack.... you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I believe I've already exercised my right to do so.

Look Jemface.... reading my posts is certainly not something you're required to do. Please put me on your ignore list and I will do likewise with you. Or you can continue to attempt to bait and start a personal attack. As I stated in the other thread..... I'll oblige you by speaking with a moderator!

[GilkyBear]

Already handled. Let's move on with this thread in accordance with the proper decorum.

[screamndemon69]

Wasn't Fred the guy who gave Puddle Of Mudd a start? I thought I remembered hearing one of the lead singers demo CD's (tapes?) got to Fred at a concert and Fred got him started in the biz and helped him out quite a bit. So if nothing else, if this is true, Fred got a talented artist signed and recorded.

Anyone goto the auditions they had 6yrs ago in Jacksonville, FL when they were trying to replace Wes?

I considered going but never went.

[jono]

Originally Posted by elcid

I would disagree completely. LB and great are 3 words I would never put together under any circumstance. Maybe I would say they were the greatest brain dead frat boy rock band of their time. They opened for Faith No More on their last tour and it was just awful, maybe if I was 14 I would've liked them.

Who was better at pop-metal nu-metal rap-metal than these guys then?

(not a dig, seriously asking)

And in a way I agree with your sentiment about frat boy rock, because although we don't actually have fraternities in the UK really, I've always kind of thought of the whole pop-metal being linked to that sort of audience anyway. So maybe we're agreeing afterall in some twisted way?

[Darin]

Middle class white boys? Whatever preconception yiu have of these guys. It doesn't take away fro there talent. Until anyone here busting on them writes more hits, you got no argument. Also, what do you really know about them. Only what others want you to believe and have told you. Information is a commodity. You are only givin information about anyone in the public light that thise giving it to you want you to havel Unless you know them personally, it's a stretch to say what their motives are. Besids, who of us wouldn't play Rollin to make a load of cash. Its their job to write, record, sell, and preform music. No band should ever be minimalized for trying to make as much money as possible.

[Jaden]

Wes is cool, moves, make up and chops...
what more do you need.?

[jemplayer55]

Originally Posted by Darin

Middle class white boys? Whatever preconception yiu have of these guys. It doesn't take away fro there talent. Until anyone here busting on them writes more hits, you got no argument. Also, what do you really know about them. Only what others want you to believe and have told you. Information is a commodity. You are only givin information about anyone in the public light that thise giving it to you want you to havel Unless you know them personally, it's a stretch to say what their motives are. Besids, who of us wouldn't play Rollin to make a load of cash. Its their job to write, record, sell, and preform music. No band should ever be minimalized for trying to make as much money as possible.

You're absolutely right about information..... what is available states that Wes Borlands father was a preacher..... nothing about poverty, or the ghetto. I haven't met a preacher or his/her family that was destitute!

Same with the others.... only Freds early years mention poverty. Then at 2yrs old, his mom remarried a policeman. I don't think many policemen fit into the poverty category either.......

But you have a point..... I don't personally know any of them! But again what is publicly known seems to fit the persona.

As far as the money..... gotta agree there too! (but play "rollin"?.... No!) To call them great musicians, no! Being a great musician has nothing to do with success or wealth, or for that matter platinum records! They worked good together, they had a marketable sound and the public was ripe for a change in music direction! Nothing more, nothing less.

Again, I give them props for being successful. But sorry, I still seen and heard middle class angst actin all bad up! But I also give them credit for blending HM with rap type lyrics..... But the angry rapper (with a valid reason) was around long before!

Oh, Darin..... one more thing, anyone who's a record/CD buying member of the public has every right to voice an opinion. Criticism is not something exclusive to just the hit makers, musicians in the limelight or record producers/exec's. All it takes is an ear, some objectivity, and the ability to justify your position based on the facts available......

[Jaden]

wow, does someone have to be destitute and know "hard times" before they get any kind of credit for their music...

I dont like LB personally but Wes is great to watch and listen to...

I think this thread is about Wes, not LB

[jemplayer55]

Originally Posted by Jaden

wow, does someone have to be destitute and know "hard times" before they get any kind of credit for their music...

I dont like LB personally but Wes is great to watch and listen to...

I think this thread is about Wes, not LB

Jaden.... you may have missed where I called LB "a bunch of middle class white boys wanting to be all bad up with themselves, acting angry for no good reason" which brought a response from Darin. But yeah.... that included Wes Borland too!

I then posted what you responded to.

But to answer your question.... the answer is no, it's not a requirement. Remember Vanilla Ice?

Wes is best known for his work with LB..... his latest material (Black Light Burns) is surely weak if you ask me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wQXDPj2z63o&feature=related

[CosmicDebris]

Originally Posted by jemplayer55

his latest material (Black Light Burns) is surely weak if you ask me.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wQXDPj2z63o&feature=related

I agree, could not make it past the first 14seconds before closing window.

[elcid]

Originally Posted by jono

Who was better at pop-metal nu-metal rap-metal than these guys then?

(not a dig, seriously asking)

And in a way I agree with your sentiment about frat boy rock, because although we don't actually have fraternities in the UK really, I've always kind of thought of the whole pop-metal being linked to that sort of audience anyway. So maybe we're agreeing afterall in some twisted way?

Here's the thing brother, being the best nu metal, rap metal, pop metal, whatever you want to call them is like being the hottest chick in a burn ward (not temperature wise, I mean looking good). They may have been awesome at what they did, but what they did was make forgettable, disposable crap rock.

[chopvai]

I guess you either like it or you don't... just like every other thing..
for me, I never got into limp, don't know why, it just never got me.

[Darin]

Originally Posted by elcid

Here's the thing brother, being the best nu metal, rap metal, pop metal, whatever you want to call them is like being the hottest chick in a burn ward (not temperature wise, I mean looking good). They may have been awesome at what they did, but what they did was make forgettable, disposable **** rock.

Going to have to disagree with you. Maybe it's forgettable in the same way everyones hit's are. They made a big foot print on the industry. Breaking Ben, Saliva, Disturbed, Korn, all wrote hits, and all are or will be forgotten in a few years. LB I think had to much neg press. I think it became popular/cool to hate them. Listen to some of their music. It's still played as well now on the CD as it was then. The music was cool and there no reason it still isn't. Unless you just don't like them as people or whatever. It's ok to move on and like new bands without bashing bands that came before and have since faded. Every band will fade.

[TMatt142]

Originally Posted by GilkyBear

What can I say, I put the cd in, I hit play, I like it.

That's what it's all about! To this day, I can pull out the dusty LB cd's and enjoy a listen. Wes did what Munky & Head did with their music, built layers by playing in an uncharacteristic way. Isn't that the kind of stuff that keeps us all listening intently?? Really, you hear a tune like "back in black" so many times and that's it....same few chords...over and over... When somone such as Wes can come up with innovative ways to texture songs...That stuff will hook me in every time, no matter who the front man is! Someone else is guiltyof the same thing....used to have a band named "Rage against the Machine"
BTW I do agree though the new stuff from Wes B's new band isn't very good.

[elcid]

Originally Posted by Darin

Going to have to disagree with you. Maybe it's forgettable in the same way everyones hit's are. They made a big foot print on the industry. Breaking Ben, Saliva, Disturbed, Korn, all wrote hits, and all are or will be forgotten in a few years. LB I think had to much neg press. I think it became popular/cool to hate them. Listen to some of their music. It's still played as well now on the CD as it was then. The music was cool and there no reason it still isn't. Unless you just don't like them as people or whatever. It's ok to move on and like new bands without bashing bands that came before and have since faded. Every band will fade.

This is another one of those argueing opinion things, isnt it? As far as Im concerned their music was never good or cool. I never hated them because it was popular to, infact it was the opposite. It was cool to like them. Anyone can say "fck" but putting music behind it doesnt make it an inspiring lyric. They had nothing to say and no good way to say it. They could be the nicest guys in the world and each of them could have adopted the most adorable kittens in the shelter, their music would still make me want to vomit blood. Not every band will fade. Bands like Led Zepplin, Hendrix, SRV, The Rolling Stones, The Clash etc etc have been well recieved for decades. Hell, even Appetite For Destruction is getting looked at as a classic album. Maybe people actually do want substance in their music and not just songs about Rollin and doing it all for the nookie. WHAT!? the nookie.

I cant wait for Disturbs 15 minutes to be up. To me it sound liek they wrote one song and release it every so ofter. I couldnt name a Breaking Ben, or Saliva song, but mentioning the with Korn, Disturbed and LB doesnt make me want to run out and listen to what they are putting out.