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Old 03-16-2004, 06:11 PM
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G3 London 2004


OMG! I don't believe Steve is playing at the Royal Albert Hall. Tickets have to be bought immediately!

As lovely as the London DVD is audio-wise, let me assure you that the sound quality at the actual gig was appalling, buzzy, bassy nonsense. For most of the time, I couldn't hear the lead guitar at all. I recall standing there thinking "I'm at a Steve Vai gig and I can't hear the guitar." It was bizarre to be standing a few feet from him and watching him dance and flay, but without any sound.

The Astoria is an awful awful venue. There isn't a sweet spot in the entire house - and believe me, I've tried many times to find a decent place but I'm always disappointed. I'm so glad he's picked a better venue. The audio difference between reality and the DVD is like the difference between your cousin's wedding video and the cinematography of Spartacus, Blade Runner and Citizen Kane combined.
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Old 03-16-2004, 08:37 PM
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Yep, I'm looking forward to it.
Picking my tickets up this thursday before I perform there :S (orchestra percussion)
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Old 03-16-2004, 08:44 PM
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I'll be there in spirit
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Old 03-17-2004, 06:03 AM
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i will be there, orderd my tickets a weeks or so ago.

hmmmm thats odd, the astoria had very good acoutics when i went to see dt last there, odd, its a complete stuff hole of a place but the sound was good lol
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Old 03-17-2004, 04:21 PM
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hmmmm indeed!

Maybe it was just Steve's mix. In fact, I didn't go to the DT gig because of my sonic expectations.

My perverse logic was:Steve is an aural perfectionist, who's worked as an engineer and whose CD releases are generally impeccably produced and pored over. And if he can't get a decent sound of the Astoria then it's doomed. Nobody else I've seen there sounded any better or worse.

Ho hum.
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Old 06-21-2004, 04:07 PM
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No apologies for a double post in the other forum too, as I feel this is important:

Tube and national train strike next Tuesday, the day of G3 London. London is gonna be insane, judging by the last time we had a strike. It was like a friggin' nuclear war had been announced.
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Old 06-21-2004, 04:32 PM
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Bugrit. I can get home by bus. It shouldn't be too bad at 11/12ish.
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Old 06-29-2004, 05:28 AM
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im going in a few hours


damn tube strike... they need to ban it

it only starts at 18.30, so we will have to taxi back to the train station
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Old 07-01-2004, 08:29 AM
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My review :

Majorly disapointed.

I thought Fripp was interesting, it was relaxing and he was doing something that you're unlikely to hear very often. It was strange listening for sure, with that style traditional harmony does not seem to apply it's more like musical sound.

The first problem with the show : the volume.
Fripp's set was ok volume wise, although there were some moments when the red 'clipping' LEDs in my head were blinking.
After Vai's set I went straight to the information desk to ask about some ear plugs, thankfully they gave me a few free sets (noteably nice of the RAH).
All these people that have been saying that it was always too quiet because Vai was constantly getting the desk guy to push it up need to listen to their own ears.
It was literally a wall of blue noise with the instruments vaguely underneath, turning up the instruments won't make them cut through more, it just makes things worse.
The in the mix were poor at best, the cymbals were hardly audible.

Once I had my plugs the rest was SO much more listenable. If I didn't get the plugs I probably would have left after Joe, and would have had to use tissue paper instead.
What Vai and Satch don't realise is that they are not playing venues built for rock. This is not to say that rock can't sound good in them, it's just they are built for a different sound.
I have seen a large jazz band play at the RAH (20+ brass players, piano/keyboards, guitar, bass, drums, 10 vocalists + soloist) The guitarist played through a fender twin with no micing. It cut through everything, it was completely audible by everyone. I moved around seating wise and could hear it well from a box and from the back. The RAH is designed to amplify natural instruments (such as orchestral ones). During the same performance, different song, my friend the keyboardist wasn't playing so picked up a tambourine and started tapping along, again so clear.
Many may doubt what I say but it's completely true.
OK so Vai likes to play loud, so I could accept him micing his amp up, but not blasting it out like that.

Bottom line, the sounds bad because of Steve/Joe.

The second problem with the gig, and the reason I probably won't go to see them again:
This applies to Steve much more than Joe, but after Steve's set my mood was lowered considerably.
A problem with musicians that is apparent with almost all technically able players is that they find it hard to hold back. Sure Steve does it better than a lot of guys out there but watching his band play one chord for 8 minutes while he widdles over the top is not interesting. Which causes infinite problems when it comes to the 'jam' a.k.a ChopsFest.
The reason that this becomes extra dull with Vai and Satch is that in many of their album songs, many sections are improvised, so we all know what their improvisational 'sound' is, so listening to it for ages is extra numbing.

I feel the audience agreed with me when it came to this boring weakness in the performance, even if they didn't want to. While the guys played _EVERYONE_ sat there completely deadpan not even nodding their heads, bar a few :
-The jumpy over excited kid infront of me, who eventually settled down and stopped tapping his friend and singing the tune.
-The drunk skinhead behind me who was either shaking his head to some techno in his earphones or had no sense of tempo. Who also said to his friend when Joe went on
"Dave I thought you said he was ****"
"Nah I said the first one, Fripp"
"Oh yeah, **** off Fripp I hate you"
Genius obviously at work
-The odd person in a box who felt uninhibited enough to headbang along to Far To LOnG.
-The only reactions from the audience were when songs would finish and people around me would start saying "wow, yeah fantastic, wow" or when Joe looked to the people in the choir seats and they started *we're not worthy*ing him.
All these reactions seemed to be the reaction that the audience/individuals felt they ought to make, as (anomolies mentioned above excluded) the audience never reacted when not prompted by the performers, even when they were asked to clap to the beat they stopped after a few seconds. No one reacted like this to the music alone.
I will personally eat anyone's head who tells me that they were simply "mesmerised by the unbelieveable, intrinsic, beautiful music" or some other pseudo-muso intellectual bull****. [sarcasm]Yes I believe that everyone in the audience felt exactly the same and was hypnotised into not moving[/sarcasm]

I can't believe that these people would not even cheer after a Jam solo but would erupt after 15 minutes of fiddlywiddly.

I have to say that I enjoyed Joe's performance much more than Steve's. Joe was jumping up and down and obviously really enjoying himself in a relateable way, this excitement was reflected in the audience a bit aswell as the mood lifted a bit.
Steve's actions during playing seem too Hammed up, and rehearsed for them to seem real. Sure it's his way of putting on a show aside from his guitar playing, but it's the same show....everytime...that we've all seen in all his videos.

I think Steve's choice of song was poor, he chose lots of shreddy improv songs which were boring for the above reasons, and the ballads that are so overplayed that most people could tell you what facial expression he is going to ham up at each section of the song.
He does have good songs, but he just chooses not to play them.

This is not to say that Vai can't do a good live show, far from it. When I saw him in Holland (aching hunger gig) he was great. Why? Because the songs were notated for the orchestra, giving no allowance for over the top self indulgence. I think there were 2 solo breaks in that gig, and they were only a minute or two long.
G3 for those guys means no time restrictions, especially in the jams, so they extend every song with overplaying. Fripp had the right idea with short solos that were all different. I think all those people who boo'd him ate some shoe leather when he pulled out a few fast riffs.

Sorely disapointed, it wasn't a bad gig, but it wasn't what it could have been. I can be thankful that Malmsteen wasn't on the Europe leg of G3'04 otherwise my brain might have melted.
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Old 07-01-2004, 08:55 AM
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each to there own but i thought vai was rather restained compared to ushal and what do u expect when the guys are so filled with edrenilin coz they are playing in such a place

well i must have been in a sweet spot, the audio was good from were i was (logia box 22) for the most part the lead guitars cut ok and everythin was fine bar a few realy cutting harmonics, some mush in vais set and the volume was ok but i must say i would have cut it a smidge but thats just me.

the gig was amazing imho i dont see how anyone could think much otherwise.

Fripp's set was stunningly beautifull i dont know how anyone can boo that guy it was just wonderfull.

Vai's set was awesome for me the audio was mush every now and then but i didnt expect much else, im yet to see vai were you get anywere near close to crisp sound.
All in all he was fantastic and his setlist was awesome and i realy didnt think he over did the widling at any point realy like i often do.

Joe's set was great, crowing jewel for me, very nice setlist and great tone it was clear and refined for pretty much all of the set. The only complaint i had about him realy was that he realy did go off on a widdle jam fest a few times that never bothers me to much coz i love joes legato based style but it was a lil much everynow and then.

it was ovious to me they were all so exilerated by playing the albert hall and ive never seen joe so lively and mad playing wise on set and for that matter he was moveing around more than ive ever seen him and the likes of whispering a prayer and ftlog from vai were just amazing, especialy in such a setting.

the jam was just the jam its allways fun to see but i go for the indevidula sets realy.

all in all i thought it was a fantatsic gig, one of the best ive been to, loved every min.
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Old 07-04-2004, 07:34 AM
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Artist I disagree with a lot you say about audience reaction. Now I can't speak for everyone but when I watched the gig I just sat there and watched, why? Because I just wanted to enjoy the music. I generally do that at all gigs, ok so I will stand up and clap but I like to sit back and enojy the performance/ playing, I don't feel the need to get up and dance along.
I agree that Vai and Satch soloed for too long but as I'm not a Satch fan I prefered Vai, even if he did only stay on one chord.
As for the sound I took ear plugs with me but didn't find the need to use them. I was sitting in one of the boxes.
As for Fripp, he was good but due to the lack of variation it bored me. I liked what he did for about the first 15mins but then lost interest and I think that goes for most the audience too. By the end of his set you could see everyone had lost interest. When they all jammed at the end he should have got a bit more involved. I don't mind him sitting down so much, although i'd prefer him to be standing, but he should have moved more to centre stage.

Next time i'd like to see Paul Gilbert with Racer X insted, won't hold my breath though.
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Old 07-04-2004, 02:52 PM
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I didn't mean that people should be dancing etc, that's just being over the top, but people weren't even nodding their heads or moving at all. It's the kind of thing you see when a band is opening a festival at like 11am most people aren't really into them or know them and are just having a watch.
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Old 07-05-2004, 05:46 AM
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Oh right, yeah I see what you mean in that case. i was nodding my head though, that's one person . Mind you, I can't help it when decent music comes on.
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Old 07-05-2004, 05:47 AM
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OH yeah and I was dissapointed that Satch didn't play surfing with the alien.
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Old 07-05-2004, 10:56 AM
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I have to say that I thought Robert Fripp was a complete waste of time after the first five minutes. OK, you have a very good synthesiser in your system get over it. The guitar playing element of his music was almost non-existent and I can't say I didn't more or less agree when some guy shouted out "you've got 6 strings mate, use em". While his long set did have its very rare moments I found myself praying that it would finish soon. I can appreciate all sorts of music but Fripp did absolutely nothing that left a lasting impression, and personally I think he should've been a supporting act and another guitarist was chosen for G3.

I had the most godawful seats in the entire house. I was right on the side of the stage alongside the playing guitarist RIGHT at the top on the hall, right at the back. Now not seeing the stage was the least of my worries, I was behind that main speakers hanging from the ceiling and just in the right position to catch full blast of the monitor speakers onstage so the drums were way too loud for me. Therefore I thought I was one of the few that couldn't make out a note of what vai n satch were playing, and I could only make some sort of coherence of a song if I already knew it and knew what notes were coming next. However, if Artist had the same problem then I don't think it was just my seats, which leaves me to blame the mixing technicians.

I thought the audience was pretty good between songs and on the entrances of the guitarists, they could have been more lively during songs, but I think they gave Vai n Satch great reception.
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