"newer" guitar virtuosos appreciation thread

[SeanB]

[quote=DEADTUNES666;765125]

Originally Posted by Scali

Vinnie Moore is a machine

At the winter NAMM "95" we were walking from our hotel to the convention and we saw the hottest looking chick in tiiiiight jeans with awesome hair, waiting for the light to change. We were going to walk over and try to score some time with her and when we got there it was Vinnie Moore. Never realized how short that dude was...That was the funniest thing

AHAHAHAHA!

Awsome story!

-Sean

[PIPCO]

Originally Posted by Fretrunnr

Guthrie Govan is extremely boring !
Passion & Warfare did everything to guitar.
New players don't sound good to me.

Guthrie Govan EXTREMELY BORING!!?? Are you shure you got the correct disc??

Guthrie Govan´s "Erotic Cake" is probably one of the best "guitar-albums" ever made.

[Fretrunnr]

Originally Posted by PIPCO

Guthrie Govan EXTREMELY BORING!!?? Are you shure you got the correct disc??

Guthrie Govan´s "Erotic Cake" is probably one of the best "guitar-albums" ever made.

Yes for teenagers or people who started playing a couple of years.
Yes new stuff is good WHEN it is not an old thing with new tones.
Everything wich could be done with a guitar was already been done,now just copy and paste and sometimes some different soundscapes.
I did mention Passion & Warfare because it was a BOOM .That album has every guitar technique in only one package.After it nothing sounded NEW to me,only the same stuff with different soundscapes.

[screamndemon69]

[quote=DEADTUNES666;765125]

Originally Posted by Scali

Vinnie Moore is a machine

At the winter NAMM "95" we were walking from our hotel to the convention and we saw the hottest looking chick in tiiiiight jeans with awesome hair, waiting for the light to change. We were going to walk over and try to score some time with her and when we got there it was Vinnie Moore. Never realized how short that dude was...That was the funniest thing

Great story!!!

So did you still ask for a date??? ROFLMAO

[HeavyMetal4Ever]

[quote=Fretrunnr;765532]Yes for teenagers or people who started playing a couple of years.
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[Scali]

Well I'm not a teenager, and I've been playing for about 13 years now, but I would still agree that Erotic Cakes is a fantastic album.
Personally I prefer it over Passion & Warfare because the songwriting seems more coherent, more complex, and the melodies are more tasteful in general. Govan knows his jazz and knows how to apply it tastefully.

Although it must be said that some of the stuff on Erotic Cakes is clearly influenced by Vai, so Erotic Cakes is standing on the shoulders of P&W in a way.

I just feel that Govan takes guitar playing beyond rock and jazz/fusion, and creates a blend of music that is very fluid and melodic, while still using complex timings and harmonic structures. I think he's similar to Steve Lukather and Andy Timmons in that respect. I see it as a sort of blend of Vai's technique and say Holdsworth's complexity.

[Fretrunnr]

I completely agree with you, just like I said new players are playing old stuff with a new face .
That's why I think new players are boring.
When a new player shows something really new wich doesn't reminds me any other player,then I will buy his cd .

[jemplayer55]

Speaking of Govan..... I'm not a big fan of his Erotic Cakes album. I agree it sounds a little too "influenced" by other players on some of the tracks. But it's got a song or two I really like! But I'd much prefer to see him perform like he does in these videos......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOs7...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZK9...eature=related

Now that's some "musicians" music..... great tone and chops.

Oh, and it doesn't sound like a buzzsaw either!

The problem I see with most Youtube "virtuoso" players is everyone's doing covers of some other known player. All nice and some really talented players, but I'd much rather see some original soloing over some comping track as opposed to FTLOG again and again.

[Eco]

I think Petrucci does alot of new things even tho DT have been around a while now, he's only recently took to solo work.

Michael Romeo and Jani Liimatainen are also 2 very good guitarist who've popped up in more recent years.

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Fretrunnr

I completely agree with you, just like I said new players are playing old stuff with a new face .
That's why I think new players are boring.
When a new player shows something really new wich doesn't reminds me any other player,then I will buy his cd .

Well excuse me, but I don't think P&W falls in this category either.
Pretty much everything on there had already been done by EVH, JS, YJM and the likes, right?
If you ask me, nothing like that has happened since VH 1 hit the scene.

I just like Guthrie Govan because he's such a complete player. He can hold his own technically against someone like Vai, but he adds a sense of melody, rhythm, phrasing and improvisation that is completely foreign to Vai.
In that sense he's more like Andy Timmons or Steve Lukather... just jazzier.

[Fretrunnr]

well eddie always sucked to me.I never liked his playing,tones and music.His two taps always sounded terrible to me. Pop rock with american's cliches.
Beat It solo is awsome.
But that's just my taste.
P & W unite all the best techniques in one album,melodies,chord progressions etc were awsome.
At P & W time, every guitar player (famous or not ) thought the same away = from now everything will be just evolutions ,nothing will be new .
P & W was the climax of what everybody was been doing.Malmsteen,Eddie etc.

[Scali]

I won't dispute Vai's technique, but his melodies are a bit idiosyncratic if you ask me, and his chord progressions are pretty straight-ahead rock stuff. I think Erotic Cakes goes much further in those areas.

And whether you like EVH or not, he's the guy who wove tapping, pinch/tap/natural harmonics, whammy abuse and true hi-gain tone (don't forget, EVH was one of the first guys who actually made a lot of gain sound good, and not muddy/fuzzy/etc) into a fluid playing style that has changed the guitar world ever since. Vai has good technique, but most of it is based on what EVH did (and a bit of YJM). Vai just perfected the style even further.
I think that is what P&W stands for: rock/metal taken to technical perfection.

But in terms of songwriting etc, I don't think P&W is all that great. Players like Joe Satriani and Tony MacAlpine have written more interesting and complex songs.. which are also more catchy. But that's just my opinion.

[jono]

I think the fact that most of the most well known guitar superstars started so long ago may be partly due to the changes in the music industry. Guys like Steve Vai and Joe Satriani have not only flawless technique, but a great sense of melody to write a catchy tune, but also a certain "star" quality that allows them to be celebrities in the guitar world.

When a guitar magazine and word of mouth was the only way of fostering a career you had to have all of these this to set you apart from the rest.

Nowadays where everyone has access to so much more music, both high quality home recording equipment to make music and hi speed internet to publicise and download it, I wonder if a lot of the guys who before would never have made it out of their spare room are now recording and releasing “songs”.

As such I think it’s harder to pick the guys who can hold the listeners interest for more than a phrase because we don’t have the music journalist to screen out those players who aren’t (in their opinion) good enough to make the cut.

I feel that Guthrie Govan is a great example. He has textbook “good” tone, flawless technique. What might just be lacking is his track record in publishing tunes about which your girlfriend can say “oh I like this one”.

Nuno Bettencourt was the opposite, he had everything he needed but turned out he didn’t want to be a guitar hero

[no1spretty]

I listened to Guthrie's "Erotic Cakes" a couple of times, thought it was THE perfect guitar album, got depressed, haven't listened to it ever since. True, it's not all new material but he sure perfected everything he tried to do.
I can't believe no one has mentioned Rob Balducci or Dave Weiner yet...

[jemplayer55]

^^^^ Rob Balducci & Dave Weiner.....