"newer" guitar virtuosos appreciation thread

[DEADTUNES666]

Originally Posted by Fretrunnr

old school zakk wylde ?
Zakk only plays pentatonic licks,nothing more.
Boring ,really boring stuff.

What kills me is his overuse of the harmonics...I know it's his thing but, jeez!

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Drow Swordsman

He doesn't have any solo music, he mainly plays within Necrophagist, however I agree he is a lot different than many other players and is fantastic.

What he does in that video doesn't sound very different to me. Just generic neo-classical shred stuff. Yngwie did that over 2 decades ago. I know tons of guitarists on internet forums who can play this sort of stuff.

[Fretrunnr]

Originally Posted by DEADTUNES666

What kills me is his overuse of the harmonics...I know it's his thing but, jeez!

and only use of pentatonics lol

[rastachild]

Originally Posted by Fretrunnr

and only use of pentatonics lol

lol. quite a generalization my friend, it shows how little you know about zakk. sure, he has made a name for himself with pentatonics, but he definitely knows more than just a 5 note scale. just listen to his signature solo for 'no more tears'. it's nothing special theoretically, but it is more than just minor pentatonic.

anyway, the comparison was more about vibrato than anything. aldrich is a very accomplished player and is well versed in basic theory. i think he even has a modal lesson on youtube.

[HeavyMetal4Ever]

Sorry to be negative, but after hearing alot about Avenged Sevenfold, and how good the guitarists are, I checked them out.

Well, I am pretty underwhelmed. They were ok I suppose, but I can think of plenty of young players who I think blow them away. The songwriting didn't impress either.

Guitar World had them on the cover of the holiday 07 issue, with the line "The next great American rock band?". My vote is for no.

Rock on!

[Drow Swordsman]

Originally Posted by Scali

What he does in that video doesn't sound very different to me. Just generic neo-classical shred stuff. Yngwie did that over 2 decades ago. I know tons of guitarists on internet forums who can play this sort of stuff.

I guess using it in the context of death metal makes it different than every other technical
deathl band I've heard, rather than the solos themselves. I'd also say a lot of the parts he writes are different from what I've heard.

Each to his own, those who dislike death metal wouldn't have interest in him anyway, I would have to agree his solos aren't incredibly unique.

[Tom Gilroy]

I'm quite a big Joel Hoekstra fan. Very nice tone, and phenominal playing.

[CalledToArms]

coming from someone who is into a lot of 'that type' of music, avenged sevenfold are nothing. they are barely midrange in the whole modern metal/hardcore hybrid band genre. bands in this similar area that i DO like a lot tho are:

Between the Buried and Me (especially the new album colors, check it out, especially tracks 4-8 )

Dillinger Escape Plan

and then also not in this vein but another big influence of mine is The Mars Volta.


these guitarists are interesting to me, not just for an ability to shred, but a knowledge of writing creative music. being a good guitarist isnt always about playing the fastest and using the most keys and scales in one song for sure.

[OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S]

Originally Posted by rastachild

doug aldrich is amazing. have you heard his instrumental stuff? very timmons-esque with a touch of old school zakk wylde.

Yup!!! I have heard everything since his days with Lion and House of Lords to Bad moon rising and his solo stuff!!!

[kotornut]

Kiko Loureiro is good. I like him a lot.

[jl2556]

A few things...
Plain and simple EVH was the last guy to change rock guitar as we know it. It's a fact, get over it!! If people think Zack knows nothing but penitonics then they haven't listed to the beginning of his instrumental Farm Fiddlin'..as much as I like Vai & Satch they haven't shown me that side..
So Fretrunnr, what do you listen to if all this is so boring?? I do agree with you that it will be VERY hard for someone to have the same effect on guitar playing as Eddie did, but I don't think everyone should just say "Heard it, it's been done before...boring...next" Guitar playing has peeked, it's what we have now.
Here's the Farm Fiddlin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh2VWr2UuLw

[Scali]

That Farm Fiddling still sounds like pentatonics to me... Isn't all country/bluegrass music based around pentatonics anyway? As most folk music is anyway..

[jl2556]

Originally Posted by Scali

That Farm Fiddling still sounds like pentatonics to me... Isn't all country/bluegrass music based around pentatonics anyway? As most folk music is anyway..

Yeah, you are right. I guess I always think about pen. scales in it's most basic form of rock & blues. I play most everything by ear...I guess I should study my scales. LOL

[Scali]

Originally Posted by jl2556

Yeah, you are right. I guess I always think about pen. scales in it's most basic form of rock & blues. I play most everything by ear...I guess I should study my scales. LOL

So you've proven that Zakk Wylde can rattle fast pentatonics with and without distortion?
Still doesn't put him in the same league as Satriani and Vai, with all due respect (I actually like Zakk Wylde, and I think No More Tears has a fantastic solo, one of my all-time favourites).

[DEADTUNES666]

I went to High school with Zakk, and he seemed to be a more originally well rounded player classical, rock, hints of jazzy stuff, back then. His band Zyrus was a big area band. He was also the premier teacher at that time. I don't know if he lost perspective along the way or is smart enough to only do what sells the most records now. I'll bet book of shadows is his lowest selling cd though...