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Old 11-12-2003, 12:05 PM
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Lot's of heavy stuff one here. I'm really digging "As I Am" now that I can hear the FULL version through a proper home stereo setup. I'm still trying to get familiar with the other tracks, but instantly found myself playing along with "As I Am" within a few minutes (except for the solo, of course ). You can definitely tell he's not using the Mark II C's on this album. My favorite JP tone is still SFAM, but this one will grow on me, I'm sure.
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Old 11-12-2003, 07:04 PM
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Anyone watch the bonus footage yet? I watched the "writing of (8:00)" video and about 10 minutes of the "recording of (16:something)" video. Very cool footage...too bad they're only available as a stream
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Old 11-12-2003, 07:15 PM
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Yep, "Train of Thought" ranks up there with the greatness of "I&W", "Awake", & "Scenes from a Memory." It is definately a heavier album than most of their catalog. However, I like the fact that from album to album, they are always trying new directions. This may not be the most versatile CD, but it's great nonetheless! WAY better than "6DoIT" & "FII."
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Old 11-13-2003, 12:59 AM
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I just got it tonight and have given it one run through. Like most of the cd's I really love, this one will require a few good listens to sink in totally, but suffice it to say....Petrucci has never clocked anything faster than his runs on this disc. The speed is just mind-blowing. It seems as if his tone has changed a little since the last record...a little heavier in the mids and not quite as clear, maybe a little nastier sounding all-together...but I've yet to listen through a high quality system so I might be passing judgement on that too early.

The bonus footage on the web was very cool, nice touch. All in all, me likey.
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Old 11-13-2003, 04:20 PM
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Just picked it up today, and I love it!
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Old 11-13-2003, 05:53 PM
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I got the album a few days ago, but its taken a while for me to absorb it all, there is so much going on. I like the album a lot. I love the heavier direction they have taken. Once I know the songs well I will love it just like the other DT albums. My only critisism would be that all of JP's solos are out and out shred. Would have been nice to hear him more laid back as well, but then i guess we have the other albums for that. All in all, and excellent CD, and one that I am listening to non-stop at the moment.
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Old 11-13-2003, 06:34 PM
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Fantastic, unreal, and amazing. This has been a long time coming from DT and I cant stop listening to it. It was just like the first day i picked up awake. That didnt leave my player for a few weeks and I think this too will have that kind of run. All of the tracks are extremely fresh with no dead wood. I LOVE the heaviness. Its immediately in my top 3. It just bumped off Images out of the #3 spot and shares the top 3 with Awake and WDADU. I can only imagine what will come next from these guys.
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Old 11-13-2003, 06:52 PM
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This CD keeps getting better & better! Some of the instrumental sections are BEYOND SICK! I especially like the last 2 minutes of "This Dying Soul." It reminds me of old Coroner (if anyone knows who they are).

Is anyone else having problems accessing the bonus footage on the web? I enter all my information, click continue, & then it just sits there. Could it be because the website is getting so many hits?
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Old 11-14-2003, 11:12 AM
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Well, I'm on my 2nd listen and so far I'm not all that impressed.
Something has been lost in the way they write.
For starters, I can't get into Petrucci's lyrics, they are dull and borderlined cliche'd. I feel that I am more than qualified to make this statement as I have been a rabid DT fan since I&W was released and like every album except 6DOIT, which even that has a couple...well...one good song.

The hooks are gone, vocal melody is gone, boring vocal lines are here to stay. I'm sorry but their latest trend seems to be find a chunky rhythm part, jam on that and then have J.L. sing over the top in a monotonous key which only changes slightly. Listen to As I Am, Honor Thy Father, Dying soul, Name of God, they ALL lack any real vocal punch. The verses are boring as hell, sorry to say. I hate the fact that the songs are not as interesting as they used to be, I'm actually kind of annoyed with my purchase thus far. Being only my 2nd listen, I think it'll take a few more to find what i'm looking for in the album, but so far, it is a bunch of scale fragments just built to sound impressive, which they do, but the songs as a whole are weak. I think they have lost the edge and don't have the drive to create like they once did.

Sorry to pee on the parade float, I'm a fan despite the past 2 albums, but I think that they have lost touch with what made them great. They are trying to hard to make songs for air, or break their mold, something, I can't define it, but its gone.



Bamm
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Old 11-14-2003, 01:01 PM
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if you want hooks, go listen to top 40 tunes. I suppose there always has to be someone that rains on the parade. I'm on about my 5th listen and I keep getting impressed. I was never one to appreciate lyrics. As far as i'm concerned, they arent necessary and I could care less if they existed at all. DTs music has always had its own voice which doesnt require lyrics. The music itself on this disc is cleverly and incredibly crafted. I enjoy the mutliple time changes that occur in many of the songs. I'm still trying to figure out if Dave Mustaine has a cameo in the later part of Track 2. I dont have my case with me and will look when i get home. It sure sounds like him. Anyways, when comparing this album to something like Images, this kicks its ass musically. It was like they were trying too hard to be prog back then by throwing in the time changes and different voicings. This music has a better flow overall. Everything seems more natural and not out of place. The people who like this album will be the ones who can understand the music and hear its voice rather than just focusing on lyrics and hooks. But if you must have lyrics and hooks, theres always the Backstreet Boys
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Old 11-14-2003, 01:46 PM
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Save the backdoor boys comments for someone still in highschool.

Check out www.parallelmind.com
I jammed with these guys for a while and there were 0 lyrics, I'm not a lyric and hook guy per se' but when thats part of what makes you strong as a group, why depart from it and mess up a good formula.

Your comments are right in line with all of your comments, pointless, vapid and inane. (no, I don't mean insane)

I listen to many forms of Prog and DT has their own sound, now they're trying to be someone like Symphony X who has their sound together.

I think I clearly voiced the problems I have with the album and the change in writing style.

Stream of conciousness isn't bad, but not as good as a mind beside itself from Awake or Hell's Kitchen from Falling.

If someone were to make a clear point in what I might be missing then so be it, but so far that hasn't happened.

Bamm
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Old 11-14-2003, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by bammbamm

Your comments are right in line with all of your comments, pointless, vapid and inane. (no, I don't mean insane).

Bamm
ROFL.....you need to seriously chill. That was just a little bit of poking fun.
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Old 11-14-2003, 06:01 PM
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I loved old DT with the keys driving the rhthyms. That's what made DT unique from most bands, and even a lot of prog bands! I noticed a lot less Rudess on this album, which is sort of a minus in my opinion.

Can someone explain to me the polyrhthym that's going on in the intro of "Honor Thy Father"? From 0:13 to about 0:34.
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Old 11-15-2003, 03:30 AM
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So much to say...where do I start ?

Kevin Moore, in my honest opinion, is one of the best musicians I have ever heard. When we try and identify with Dream Theater, we always identify with the old classics from Images and Words and Awake. If you looked at the earlier Dream Theater line-up, it was Moore who controlled the melody and almost gave each and every song a direction. The others, Petrucci and Myung are great, awesome technical players but they could never do what Moore did for the band. It's like like Jason Kidd setting up Tracy McGrady in the All-Star game with the perfect pass so that TMAC can slash to the basket and unleash a furious slam dunk. Who had the skill and the technique to complete the play ? TMAC. Who set it up and gave it the tempo ? Kidd. I feel it's the same with Petrucci,Myung and Moore.

So on to Ruddess. Now, let's face it, if you could put keyboard ability down to pure technique and "shredding" then Ruddess probably blows everyone from the days of Bach and Mozart to more recent players off the face of the planet. Yet isnt that almost the case with Petrucci and Myung in terms of their emphasis on technique over "feel" ? Now the arguement at hand is : What about Liquid Tension and Scenes from a Memory ? Well, in Liquid Tension I believe that though all the masters showed their melodic sense, it was good 'ol Tony Levin who seemed once again to be Jason Kidd and direct a lot of the material. In fact, if you read the LTE 2 booklet, Petrucci attributes much of the material to Levin's sense of groove and melody.

Now about Scenes from a Memory ? What can I say ? It was a wonderful album, one that fully deserves every accolade that was bestowed upon it. All the members of Dream Theater combined to give the word "creation" a new meaning. Sure it was a concept album and the general feel of the album was different. Yet it was melodic to the point of bringing tears to our eyes and technique oriented enough to make us avid musicians baying for more and holding our heads in shock. In short, it was the perfect progressive album, one that would have made both Kevin Moore and Tony Levin proud. What else did it prove ? That Ruddess being the furious "shredder" that he is does have a bit of "Moore's Melodic Magic" in him.

So on to Six Degrees and Train of Thought. What happens ? The band in general decides to take its music from one of philosophical content to one of darkness and despair. The music at first seems complex, almost strange. It's not bad by any means, it's just that in the Moore era, the melody would flow to the listeners. Now, it was their job to actually go looking for the melody. The result ? A sense of ambivalence among listeners who (like me) were at first just confused. So does this mean the music is just plain bad and that Ruddess has ruined the band ? No. It means that the band has changed and is looking to take its progressive rock roots to a new level. That is, at least, the story of Train of Thought. All in all, it's a great album that rewards the patient listener. Stream of Consciousness may well become the new Erotomania and This Dying Soul may become the new Home, though I dont want to raise eyebrows by asserting these as my beliefs, but merely as a seemingly inevitable consequence of the fact that the band has changed. Perhaps we will never again hear Kevin Moore's Dream Theater....then again I dont suppose that when Images and Words came out, anyone foresaw them putting out a record like Train of Thought so we can just wait and hope...
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Old 11-15-2003, 10:11 AM
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A well crafted post with emphasis on the right spots.

*Hoists a glass* "HERE HERE !"

Bamm
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