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ibanezcollector · #16 08-10-2006, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S

Here we have an example of someone who speaks with no knowledge, the type who are quick to speak but rarely know jack about the topic! for the record YOU ARE WRONG!!!

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/we...uyer_complaint

read thru that if that sounds like a safety net to just pay anyone cause you think paypals got your back, your wrong as well..

It all boils down to one thing and one thing only and its not payment preferences its COMMON FRICKING SENSE... End of story

Oddshawaii · #17 08-10-2006, 10:29 PM

Anyway I was only trying to make a + post and comment on what I have seen while negotiating on high priced guitars on this site, thanks for such a warm welcome! Aloha.

ibanezcollector · #18 08-10-2006, 10:31 PM

heres a reverse case scenario..

If I sell a guitar and he pays for it, and I DO SHIP IT, but say I ship USPS which does NOT offer tracking numbers. The buyer can then say he never recieved it. Now since I dont have a tracking number or something that says it was recieved im screwed out of a guitar and the money.

Again Paypal isnt a safety net, there is tons of loop holes in that buyer protection. Its there to make people feel safe, but does it really make you safe? NO

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #19 08-10-2006, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

It all comes down to references and common sense.

The way the money is handled is irrelevant. Just cause person A) takes paypal doesnt mean there not fraudulant and just cause person B) only takes cash,check or mo doesnt mean there the real deal..

Thats what makes that post ignorrant.

You have to be a safe buyer ask for photos that he doesnt have like inside the electronics cavity, or a close up of a specific knob on a amp. If they cant provide them then dont do it.

Ask for references, ask for phone numbers which many dont do, ask for a business phone number and call and verify there employment. I do it on big trades from people with little feedback. All you have to do is call there work and ask if so and so does in fact work there.. Employers dont know if your a credit agency, debt collector, or employer.

Its about being safe, and a smart buyer, not about payment methods.

The way the money is handled might be irrelevant to you but not to the poor guy who stands to lose everything if he sends a money order or even a check
(although there might be way to track down the thief)the bottom line is that I don't care what your feedback says and you sure can't go back and read and see every single transaction because they become unavailable after some time, who could assure that your inflated feedback isn't from ghost transactions that were created with other accounts or that you were just bidding on things that sell for pennies to inflate your feedback score, nope these days you have to be really CAREFUL, feedback alone no matter how good is not enough so lay off on the guys who are SMART and want to use SAFE payment methods...

ibanezcollector · #20 08-10-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oddshawaii

Anyway I was only trying to make a + post and comment on what I have seen while negotiating on high priced guitars on this site, thanks for such a warm welcome! Aloha.

Aloha, im not trying to be rude, but the comments that you wont pay someone with a check, mo, or whatever is perfectly ok..

To make it in a thread, warning others about people here is derogatory towards us.

We strive in this community on honesty and pride. Not on ripping people off.

If you enjoy your stay here you will soon find this out.

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #21 08-10-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

heres a reverse case scenario..

If I sell a guitar and he pays for it, and I DO SHIP IT, but say I ship USPS which does NOT offer tracking numbers. The buyer can then say he never recieved it. Now since I dont have a tracking number or something that says it was recieved im screwed out of a guitar and the money.

Again Paypal isnt a safety net, there is tons of loop holes in that buyer protection. Its there to make people feel safe, but does it really make you safe? NO

It would be very dumb on your part to ship a guitar without a tracking number, not only do you protect the buyer when you get one but also you protect yourself so your reverse scenario is a lame example!!!

ibanezcollector · #22 08-10-2006, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S

The way the money is handled might be irrelevant to you but not to the poor guy who stands to lose everything if he sends a money order or even a check
(although there might be way to track down the thief)the bottom line is that I don't care what your feedback says and you sure can't go back and read and see every single transaction because they become unavailable after some time, who could assure that your inflated feedback isn't from ghost transactions that were created with other accounts or that you were just bidding on things that sell for pennies to inflate your feedback score, nope these days you have to be really CAREFUL, feedback alone no matter how good is not enough so lay off on the guys who are SMART and want to use SAFE payment methods...

How does this make them smart? im curious.. So if some scammer comes on here with a deal and says paypal only.. Do you honestly think you are 100% protected just cause of paypal... If so Ollie you are incredibly naive not smart.

Smart is doing a little investigative work, like google the screen name, ask for more than one phone number, actually CALL THEM, verify a business number. If you want to be 100% safe then you employ a legitamate Escrow Service. AND THEN AND EVEN THEN YOUR NOT 100% protected.

Koss · #23 08-10-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S

Here we have an example of someone who speaks with no knowledge, the type who are quick to speak but rarely know jack about the topic! for the record YOU ARE WRONG!!!

Great. I'd love to be wrong. I'd love it if paypal protected me on a guitar forum. Just so im sure im protected, how about looking it up in paypals agreement where it states that I am protected on a site that is not part of e-bay for me.

ibanezcollector · #24 08-10-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S

It would be very dumb on your part to ship a guitar without a tracking number, not only do you protect the buyer when you get one but also you protect yourself so your reverse scenario is a lame example!!!

Tell me how you get a tracking number from the Post Office im curious to hear it.. I worked for the Post Office there is no tracking numbers.. You can ask for Signature Delivery but guess what anyone including a neighbor can sign for it.. So if the person didnt sign for it, your still SOL from paypal..

So explain to me a little more on how thats lame, im curious..

This thread is a complete disaster. People need to not rely on Companys but need to rely on there own common sense.

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #25 08-10-2006, 10:45 PM

I agree, if you didn't read my earlier posts I said you have to do your homework
I never buy without doing that first, I've never gotten scammed before dude and I have been a *bay member for a long time and I have bought many many things and I've never gotten ripped off, everytime the transaction has gone sour I have recouped all my funds incliding shipping!!! I use paypal but not their claim system to get refunded, I'm not willing to lose shipping plus their 25 to 50 dls deductible
there are other ways to go about it...so I'm not as naive as you think, I've been dealing in the bay far longer than you have...

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #26 08-10-2006, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

Tell me how you get a tracking number from the Post Office im curious to hear it.. I worked for the Post Office there is no tracking numbers.. You can ask for Signature Delivery but guess what anyone including a neighbor can sign for it.. So if the person didnt sign for it, your still SOL from paypal..

So explain to me a little more on how thats lame, im curious..

This thread is a complete disaster. People need to not rely on Companys but need to rely on there own common sense.

Are you sure you have worked for USPS??? if they have no tracking numbers can you explain how I tracked a game a just bought from Japan every step of the way??? or how when you enter the long delivery number it tells you the status of the delivery??? C'mon you really have to get real here dude, just accept that you are misinformed and gave you own biased opinion against online payment methods but in reality you have no clue how they work...
No tracking numbers from USPS???? what are you going to say next I wonder???

Oddshawaii · #27 08-10-2006, 10:56 PM

I never wanted to come off as being derogatory, and I'm sorry you may take it that way.
I've been looking at this site for years. I respect the site or I wouldn't be here trying to make a purchase.

Now I never mentioned Paypal Safety Net in my post, nor do I think it can save you from a scam. People have assumed that. My post says noting of the such. No "net", "safety", or "protection" mentiond so don't tell me what I think.
I feel safer, key word "SAFER" making a large payment of any kind with a credit card, now if you're not aware of the advantages then research it.

ibanezcollector · #28 08-10-2006, 11:00 PM

Olie it comes down to a few things and obviously this isnt geared towards you since you know how to handle things.

But people believe in a false security that paypal is there to protect you and there not which is obvious if anyone reads the protection. The point was these guys think that if its not PAYPAL there safe from any wrong doing.

And I have said it 100x in this thread already USE COMMON SENSE.

Nothing more needs to be said.. Oh and if you want me to scan a copy of a old paycheck to prove my validity I can

Nothing is protected. Nothing is 100% safe, Use your best judgement and use your brain..

Again this is not directed at you Olie but anyone who reads it.

I am done with this thread. This is one of the most mind numbing things I have ever read on Jemsite.

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #29 08-10-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Koss

Great. I'd love to be wrong. I'd love it if paypal protected me on a guitar forum. Just so im sure im protected, how about looking it up in paypals agreement where it states that I am protected on a site that is not part of e-bay for me.

Let's just say you're looking in the wrong places and obviously don't know how to use credit cards!!! pst...! a tip for ya!
INFORM YOURSELF BETTER!!!

OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S · #30 08-10-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ibanezcollector

Olie it comes down to a few things and obviously this isnt geared towards you since you know how to handle things.

But people believe in a false security that paypal is there to protect you and there not which is obvious if anyone reads the protection. The point was these guys think that if its not PAYPAL there safe from any wrong doing.

And I have said it 100x in this thread already USE COMMON SENSE.

Nothing more needs to be said.. Oh and if you want me to scan a copy of a old paycheck to prove my validity I can

Nothing is protected. Nothing is 100% safe, Use your best judgement and use your brain..

Again this is not directed at you Olie but anyone who reads it.

I am done with this thread. This is one of the most mind numbing things I have ever read on Jemsite.

One more time I agree with you!!! I never vouched for paypal nor am I suggesting not to do your homework, you are right about all those things
what I'm trying to stablish here is that online credit card transactions have better protection than MO/check having said that NOTHING is 100% SAFE
when you buy from strangers you take a CHANCE period, so I respect your decision in not wanting to accept paypal or whatever...Peace!!!