Christopher Woods? - Page 18

Koss · #**256** 01-14-2007, 06:21 AM

Scott MacDougall actually. The lefty body with headstock cap.

Good news for that Kevin guy though

petersfieldpete · #**257** 01-14-2007, 07:07 AM

The wood was an **** purchase, went direct to him. He ok'd it.
Communication, my whole family are invoved in emails, and friends, and counsel from church.
Court wasn't straight out, this is since Oct 04. I'm doing this on finance, all $4700 at .6% per month. We budgeted for this over Chris's declared timescales, not 27 months! Thanks

petersfieldpete · #**258** 01-14-2007, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SCS

How about getting your story staright 1st before you come on here and start making accusations. Is it $2700 or $4735?? Trying to charge interest on the value of your guitar and hardware while refusing to receive a refund in the original amount is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

$2700 was the money sent plus more later. $4700 is the project cost including all the parts etc sent to chris, plus interest on the budget money, plus, shipping duties and taxes, plus legals and flight if this goes to the wire.Not much fun really but hopefully I'll get my UV back at least. Thanks

petersfieldpete · #**259** 01-14-2007, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SCS

How about getting your story staright 1st before you come on here and start making accusations. Is it $2700 or $4735?? Trying to charge interest on the value of your guitar and hardware while refusing to receive a refund in the original amount is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

The total to date is $4735 plus interest on alll the parts and money since Oct 2004, ex shipping costs,flights and legal costs if it gets silly. We only budgeted for his declared timescales, not twenty odd months. Within his agreed timescales this would have all worked out fine, but he doesn't work to those as far as I can see.
Thanks

petersfieldpete · #**260** 01-14-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by whatisshredding

if you are relying on the luthiers expertise, as you state.
why buy the timber yourself ?
Im a carpenter/joiner and would never allow the customer to purchase the wood for a project - especially if they had never seen it themselves - i.e bought it online. Personally I think he was generous in letting you do that !
you dont deny that you moved the goalposts many times during this project, to be honest, im amazed that Chris didnt lose patience and cut you loose earlier down the line...

Then there is this thing with refusing to communicate by any means other than your brother.....

then there is the thing where you come to this forum and straight out flame Chris, saying that you are taking him to court !

I reckon if you read this entire thread, there may be some grumbling about timing but in all other respects Chris Woods seems to be getting a big 'Yes' vote from most of his customers.... - including me !

Chris was late with my order but he kept in contact and explained why, he was willing to go the extra mile to make sure that I was a happy customer and he helped me out with another project that I had going and needed advice on !

in summary, I would not hesitate to use Chris Woods again and im also located in the UK....

happy new year to you also..

Chris ok'd the timber, end of story, I@m not a Luther unfortunatly.

Koss · #**261** 01-14-2007, 07:52 AM

If you're not a luther, then you should have asked chris if there was a way around anything you were unhappy with with the timber.

Also, you had it directly shipped to Chris from ****. Where you should have had it shipped to yourself first, checked it out to see if you liked it, and then shipped it to Chris. Everyone knows that **** auction pics can make something look better than it actually is.

And lastly, in my opinion, anything that you didn't like about the timber you bought, shouldn't be covered by Chris, since it wasn't part of his stock. And he didn't damage the wood either so I don't see why he'd be accountable.

Also one last thing...No way in hell, would Chris be responsible for the interest accrued from your financing. Get serious here.

Lefty Robb · #**262** 01-14-2007, 08:28 AM

interest? bahaha...what is he, a bank?

petersfieldpete · #**263** 01-14-2007, 08:36 AM

Thanks for your input Koss, Chris said the timber was good and went ahead with the body. That was the opinion and decision of an expert, which I am not. If he'd said there might be flaws showing, or were relevant flaws showing after he cut it, we'd have responded accordingly. The mock up was good, and reflected the quality we were looking for, the 'Jewel in the crown' of the project, the subsequent pix showed tops not of that quality. He knew how important this was to us.
This Forum idea is really cool though, perhaps it should decide! Thanks Mate

PS,The courts do award costs and interest if they think it's appropriate, so it's not in our hands anyway. All I want is my guitar back, and the three he promised to make!

Spoke to the attorney , definition of a mock up, his quote. 'An experimental model showing the accurate appearance of the proposed (top) in this case; the actual bodies shown do not reflect the same quality as the mockup', again his quote. I'm starting to feel like a smart arse here which I'm not. I'm glad he's cutting down on his orders and I wish him well, but we have to resolve this somehow so if anyone has any alternative suggestions!
Thanks

technomancer · #**264** 01-14-2007, 03:48 PM

To be blunt Chris should have told you to take a flying leap and just refunded your money after he had started building something and you changed it so he had to scrap work in progress. At minimum you should have been billed for wasted materials caused by your inability to decide what you wanted. It sounds like you cost him massive amounts of time and money and are now trying to extort more than you put in to begin with through the court system.

petersfieldpete · #**265** 01-14-2007, 04:17 PM

Hi Tech, cos of timescale we did change the specs to match both guitars to 6& 7 string to help chris out; we also sent my $1000Uv777 guitar to him for reference at the start as he hadn't built a 7 string before. The big ****up apart from the tops and the timescales was the necks; I thought he could simply rout out a grove and slot in the bubinga. If he'd said but I have to rebuild the necks, I simply would have said no. Simply bad communication. Money wise this is going to be a case of me losing some or losing alot unfortunatly, Thanks Pete

chef21 · #**266** 01-14-2007, 04:21 PM

if anyone has any alternative suggestions!
Thanks
Oh I don't know try emailing him and ask to have this resolved. Without the threats of a law suite. Everyone here knows Chris Woods is a stand up guy. Talk to him and find a solution, that is reasonable. Fair for both of you. I would be surprised If Chris didn't try to make this right. Based on the facts you present, he did more than most would have, and can't be held responsible for the entire problem. just my 2 copper pennies worth. chef21

Jaden · #**267** 01-14-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by petersfieldpete

I thought he could simply rout out a grove and slot in the bubinga.

omg - you sound like the worst customer in the world !
a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

personally speaking Pete, you dont make any sense to me !

you call the shots when you want and then moan about the results !

IMHO you should call it quits with 12 posts on jemsite or just take your argument where it belongs - to Chris Woods in California - I get the feeling that you deserve everything you get (or lose) when you arrive in court there.

or continue to 13+ posts and start making sense mate.

this is a nice place to some and share knowledge, if you had knowledge of a bad vendor - then perhaps it would be worth pursuing the thread... but I (personally) dont see many "anti Chris Woods" supporters joining your cause !

Martallica · #**268** 01-14-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by whatisshredding

but I (personally) dont see many "anti Chris Woods" supporters joining your cause !

And you won't, most of us are CW costumers (Returning costumers) and we know good work when we see it.

Marty...

voodoo_child · #**269** 01-14-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by petersfieldpete

so if anyone has any alternative suggestions

My suggestion -
Pay Chris for any labour, materials and other costs he has incurred on your aborted project. Aborting the project and demanding a full refund because you didnt like the look of the wood YOU sent him is completely unacceptable.

petersfieldpete · #**270** 01-14-2007, 06:04 PM

When a guy says "OK, I have priced out your (custom) guitar. I have 7 guitars done on my list, definatly starting soon being finished early May, an 8 to 9 weeks timescale and plenty of time to get it shipped and broken in for your tour", then doesn't build, it or say anything, or apologise, I think I have a right to be P****d. I don't think too many guitarists would consider it funny at all, if he'd said sorry I'm in the S~**t, fair enough, to say nothing, NA!
OK I'm done on this, wish I could say it was fun. Nice talking though. Pete