Is this an actual Fede Swirl?

Passion_and_Warfare · #1 01-25-2008, 04:04 PM

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I have seen plenty of Fede swirls, but this one just does not look like his style, anyone else agree?

screamndemon69 · #2 01-25-2008, 04:23 PM

Doesn't look to be legit. I checked Herc's gallery and didn't see this one either. It actually looks more like a "pearle" swirl from the guy off e'bay.

Passion_and_Warfare · #3 01-25-2008, 04:31 PM

Yeh, I thought so. Also the JEM handle does not look accurate for a Fede JEM body, unless the guy sent the body to Herc, even so, I am not convinced at all.

I am glad you did not see it on Hercs' gallery also, I was checking over and over again to make sure it wasn't there.

Vim Fuego · #4 01-25-2008, 04:34 PM

Yer, I had a look on Herc's website and couldn't match the guitar with one of his efforts!
Jim

**jemsite** · #5 01-25-2008, 04:37 PM

doesn't look like a herc swirl but who cares if you like the looks of it?

Other than the signed neck pocket, the body is not a tell-tale since anyone can send Herc (or any builder) anyone. Herc vs XXX vs YYY is not an issue if it's visually appealing (which this one is from casual pics)... glen

Out Of This Swirled · #6 01-25-2008, 05:05 PM

im almost 100 percent pos, that this is not a fede swirl. it could be though a very very early one, possibly when he was using different paint. i have visited herc gallery many times during the last few years, to see how it should be done as im sure many others have and i have never seen that guitar in hercs gallery, i would have spotted it a mile away, im sure. hercs gallery pics haven't changed any since the middle of last year either. i think it could be a nate perle one, theres also another guy whos name escapes me at the mo who would be a possibility. if this isnt a herc i dont think hed be to pleased that someone was doing this.

this is a proper herc and i also think one of his best IMO.

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okay, just realized all this has been said before, sorry... i will go now.

TequilaKing · #7 01-25-2008, 05:56 PM

+1 to what Glen said

who really gives a toss who did it. If it's finished well and I like the swirl pattern I'd buy it if was a Bin Laden swirl

and I guess most others here would too

There's dozens of 'swirlers' out there now - some bad, some good and some who are, in my opinion at least, up there with Herc but are way cheaper. As somone who as 4 swirls by 3 different swirlers (including a Herc) I can tell you there's not much difference in finish bewteen one of the non Hercs and the Herc

Herc may have set 'the standard' by which all swirls are measured but theres plenty of other guys stepping up to the plate and some of them show real promise...

I'd guess you'll always have Herc-o-philes though who dismiss anything that isn't created by the master..

Brosa · #8 01-25-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarnutteruk

im almost 100 percent pos, that this is not a fede swirl. it could be though a very very early one, possibly when he was using different paint. i have visited herc gallery many times during the last few years, to see how it should be done as im sure many others have and i have never seen that guitar in hercs gallery, i would have spotted it a mile away, im sure. hercs gallery pics haven't changed any since the middle of last year either. i think it could be a nate perle one, theres also another guy whos name escapes me at the mo who would be a possibility. if this isnt a herc i dont think hed be to pleased that someone was doing this.

this is a proper herc and i also think one of his best IMO.

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okay, just realized all this has been said before, sorry... i will go now.

I agree with you.

Also.. If ever one of your swirls are for sale, i think it could be difficult to see any difference with a Herc Fede swirl and one of your own, if you wanted to. Show us a swirled guitar please

ET Guitars · #9 01-25-2008, 08:03 PM

Other than the fact it doesn't look like the normal Herc finishes, I have no reason to believe the seller is lying. I spoke to the guy at length about a matching neck, he had the body sitting around for over a year before we first spoke.

The only other things I vaguely remember (this is going back to about Aug last year), is that he sent the body to Herc. And that he was, lets say a bit sensitive, to the fact that Herc charges extra for a re-swirl. This could very well be a Herc "bad egg" that the customer did not want to spend any more money on. The yellow, green, and black (to a lesser degree) does look like the type of paint Herc uses, from seeing another Herc swirl in person.

Anyway, as Glen said who cares. Its up over $1000 already, so this project may at least break even for the guy, good on him.

freedom's door · #10 01-26-2008, 01:11 AM

It is NOT a Herc swirl.
Herc says so himself in an auction he has currently going:

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People saying it only matters whether or not you like the swirl are missing the most important point that this guy is using Herc's name to raise the value of his item, and it's a FRAUD.

It would be the same as me selling an item saying it had a "pro setup from Rich at Ibanez Rules" on a guitar Rich had never even seen.

My 2 cents.

peace

Passion_and_Warfare · #11 01-26-2008, 05:57 AM

Withdrawn comments.

beyblade · #12 01-26-2008, 05:57 AM

This is my auction.

Everyone seems to, including me at first, believe that this man can do no wrong. That he is squeeky clean and that his work is 200% beautiful. This is not my experience.

After sending the body back because of all sorts of finish problems and not signing it, after 16 months of BS I just gave up and accepted it. However, I did tell this guy exactly what I thought of him. His behavior since I sent the body back was nothing short of irrational.

I also got burnt in the Legacy drama but have said nothing about it. ET guitars stepped in and helped me finish this project which was in the works for over 3 years. ET Guitars, now that is an outstanding vendor to deal with. As is LGM Guitars. Jeremy is absolutely brilliant however I've lost touch because I've stopped commissioning customs after the swirl debarcle.

It is my suspicion that with the number of good swirlers rising and providing much better value, he is using my auction as a stunt to retain awareness and generate fraudulent seller sympathy because everyone hates a scammer. I AM NOT A SCAMMER and have sold no fewer than 25 high end Ibanez guitars all over the world.

The motivation, is to hang onto his premium that idiots like me have gladly paid in the past.

As for Mr Fede, what he is saying is nothing more than spite from a retard that can't let go and needs to have the final word.

beyblade · #13 01-26-2008, 06:35 AM

One other thing, this WAS in his gallery but has since switched it out. Replacing an image in a html page takes 2 seconds and no one is none the wiser.

Footnote : I've just lodged an objection with e8ay seeking removal of the libelous statement from his auction.

Passion_and_Warfare · #14 01-26-2008, 07:02 AM

Big thanks for clearing that up. I know Herc had screwed a few customers, including my mate, who had been waiting for a swirled body for nearly 2 years.

ET Guitars · #15 01-26-2008, 07:05 AM

Bey, I'm glad you stepped in and cleared that up (I could not for one second believe that you were a scammer). If you haven't already done so, you should reply to Herc (his other auction says he's emailed you with no reply) and get him to retract his statement. Even though he may not think its one of his better swirls, he needs to admit that it is his work, and allow the auction to decide its value.