paypal screws are tightening

[LLL777]

This one should be interesting for some eBy sellers that don't take paypal but will ship internationally or international sellers........I discovered this helping a friend with their listing and it kinds of irks me being a former UK resident.

eBy UK will not list any auction that doesn't accept paypal payments. This is the only one site I know about, probably will be across the eBy world pretty soon.

That means someone who doesn't accept paypal won't be able to list on eBy UK. No biggie unless you live there but here's the kicker: it seems that no matter where the item is listed (say in Germany or even Ireland!) that listing won't show up in eBy UK searches either. So if you're in the UK and you want to see what's really available then you got to run a search through another **** site.

There are a sh*tload of good, legitimate sellers that don't take paypal and you really can't blame them, considering only 3 countries have seller protection and the other crap.

Remember when there was a thing called freedom of choice? I guess we sheep are too stupid to deserve having that.

Hail paypal....the terminator of tomfoolery, the fighter of fraud, the sentinel of scams, the world is now a better place.

[Ibateur]

old news for some of us.

But, it is not "hail paypal".

Paypal is owned by e b a y.

"Hail e b a y, lord of the double-dip"

[Brosa]

It's called evilbay for a reason

[axemanrio]

I was a part of that business for 6 years or so and jumped off the train this year. Their mistakes are slowly killing their business and it might be too late before they realize it. By then, they will be ripe for an acquisition maybe by a real company like Amazon.

Most recently they made feedback policy changes... sellers can no longer leave neutral or negative feedback for buyers. They've made some bad moves over the years but this was just plain f'in stupid!

[IbanezFreak777]

Yeah that law has already gone through in Australia, and soon **** Autralia is outlawing bank deposits and making Paypal and COD the only forms of payment all together.

Something to do with laws in Australia stating that a business has the right to decide on how their customers have to pay.

3bay are C_NTS

[Matheau]

Originally Posted by IbanezFreak777

Something to do with laws in Australia stating that a business has the right to decide on how their customers have to pay.

I think most countries that allow private businesses have laws like that. I believe in the US, companies are still not legally obligated to take more than 100 pennies in a single transaction or something like that. I remember awhile back seeing the list for each of the denominations and what point payment could be refused.

I worked in retail for less than a year (and I worked the register maybe 1/5 of the time, if that), and I can't tell you how many times I've seen fake checks, fake traveler's checks, fake money orders, and fake currency. It isn't a surprise a company wouldn't want to accept them (though in E-Bay's case they aren't really taking money directly).

I'm not too terribly offended. A lot of live auctions do the same thing (particularly professional ones like Sotheby's). The main difference is E-Bay charges the seller, while most live auctions seem to charge the buyer.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Matheau

I'm not too terribly offended. A lot of live auctions do the same thing (particularly professional ones like Sotheby's). The main difference is E-Bay charges the seller, while most live auctions seem to charge the buyer.

Live auctions always charge the seller commision. Used to be you couldn't find a local auction that charged a buyers premium, now days it's tough to find one that doesn't.

Sotheby's? 25% to the seller, 25% to the buyer.

[jem20thlover]

http://auctions.nettop20.com/

There ya go, all your other options to e-bay. Go ahead and post your guitar on ubidz.com or yahooauctions.com and see the 3 or 4 hits you get. I'll say it again, no other site gets as many hits per auction. When I sell my stuff, you better believe it'll be on e-bay. Paypal is fine by me. In fact, I already don't do business with people who don't accept paypal so it'll work out just fine. Let's see, I can go to the post office or bank, pay to get a money order or cashiers check, get an envelope and stamp, write the address and send it off in the mail, OR pay for the auction in less than 30 seconds with paypal. I got over $20,000 for the 11 guitars I sold last year and all of them paid through paypal. Yes I had to pay fees, but it's the cost of doing business and the cost of getting my money right away. Find a site that gets as many hits as e-bay and I'll switch. Until then, bring on the convenience of paypal.

Oh, and do you think you are safe when you send a money order in the mail?? It always amazes me that people have no problem sending the equivalent of cash in the mail but don't feel safe using paypal.

I want e-bay to thrive, and I want them to (heaven forbid), make money!!! They are the best auction site around and I support them. They aren't "evil" just because they want to make money. I guess I'm evil because I want my company to make money too. As long as they keep providing a good service I'll keep paying the fees. I have never had a problem on e-bay because I have been smart about who I've bought things from. Hell, I got my DNA from Italy with no problems!

Ok, I'm stepping off my soap box. I'll be in the shadows awaiting the next "I hate paypal and e-bay" post in the next few months .

[axemanrio]

I don't hate them, I just believe what they're doing is wrong. I know how their business is set up and like all businesses they have to grow revenue MOM and YOY. However, making policy changes and claiming it's best for the community and marketplace when it *isn't*, is pi$$ing a lot of sellers off. Notice I said sellers, not buyers, because eb4y is doing everything they can to drive buyer traffic up but doing little to keep sellers happy. Over the last 3 years, many large retailers shut down their eb4y operations and moved on to setting up their own online stores because they weren't feeling the love anymore.

There is more evil out there btw, for example, a large number of sellers with great feedback ratings have been shut down by eb4y for *non-performance* - wtf does that mean you ask? How would anyone know when eb4y can't explain it yet!!

[LLL777]

Sorry there's something I don't quite get.......If I sell something to someone in say Australia and I take Paypal....what prevents me from getting screwed over?

Why do I ask cause here the seller protection terms you get off legal agreements sections and it says I need a Verified Business or Verified Premier Account (I have neither) and "The transaction must be between a US, UK or Canadian buyer and a US, UK or Canadian seller" so I can get screwed if sell to a Aussie??? So even if I had a VB or VP Account, I can't sell to Aussies or Mexicans or Japanese without the risk of getting screwed over??

Read it yourself

11.3 Qualification Requirements. In order to qualify for coverage under the Seller Protection Policy, you must meet the following requirements:

You must have a Verified Business or Verified Premier Account at the time of the transaction,


The transaction must be between a US, UK or Canadian buyer and a US, UK or Canadian seller,


The payment must be listed as Seller Protection Policy Eligible on the Transaction Details page, or cleared by PayPal through Payment Review,


You must accept a single payment from one PayPal Account for the purchase,


You must not charge a surcharge for accepting PayPal,


You must ship the purchased item to the address listed on the Transaction Details page,


You must ship the item to the buyer within 7 Days of receiving payment. Or, if you are selling a made-to-order or pre-ordered item on ****, you must ship the item within the time-frame you specified in your **** listing as long as the buyer agreed to the extended time-frame at the time of payment.


You must have trackable online proof of delivery from an approved shipper to the address on the Transaction Details page. For transactions involving $250.00 USD or more, you must provide a proof of receipt that was signed or otherwise acknowledged by the buyer and can be viewed online, (If you paid in a currency other than US dollars, the following amounts apply for this section: $325.00 CAD, €200.00 EUR, £150.00 GBP, ¥28000.00 JPY, $350.00 AUD, 330.00 CHF, 1,600.00 NOK, 2,000.00 SEK, 1,500.00 DKK, 800.00 PLN, 55000.00 HUF, 6,000.00 CZK, $400.00 SGD, $2,000.00 HKD, $380.00 NZD, $2,750.00 MXN, 1,000.00 ILS), and


You must respond to PayPal's requests for information within the time period PayPal specifies.


Additional qualification requirement for unauthorized payments: The address on the "Transaction Details" page that you ship to must be a Confirmed Address. This requirement does not apply to Chargebacks due to non-receipt of merchandise.

Please note that in order to qualify for our Seller Protection Policy you must ship the item as required in this section. If you hand deliver an item, or provide delivery in any manner other than required in this section, your transaction will not qualify for the Seller Protection Policy.

[dragsternj]

If you are under the impression that PP has any decent protection ploicies in place for anyone than you are sure mistaken. PP sucks

[ken]

Originally Posted by dragsternj

If you are under the impression that PP has any decent protection ploicies in place for anyone than you are sure mistaken. PP sucks

It's you who are mistaken. Do you have any experience in the claims process? I do. They paid me $1500 out of their own pocket and went after a bogus seller.

I'm in the camp of "love PayPal". I think it's an awesome service. The virtual debit card is great for shopping at websites. I also wouldn't use anyone but **** for auction stuff.

All in all, I think this is a smart idea with poor execution. The arrangement was pretty good when it was two separate companies. Now that **** owns PayPal, I think it's a bad idea not to discount the fee for successful **** transactions. If they did that, they wouldn't have to force it down peoples' throats, imo.