best rectifier sound... for recording

[Marko@Rockvoice]

I am sure there has been discussion about this before but...

What is the best way to get a rectifier sound that sounds like the real thing without actually using the real thing?
I do not have the money for a dual or triple rectifier or even a roadking + box with V30's AND I do not have the room to record a loud amp. So I have to find another solution.

It is not for playing live - recording purpose only.

I own a POD XT pro but ... even with wisely used gain, bass and presence it doesn't get close. The sound character is good, but there is this fizz and it has not enough bottom punch and is not "straight" enough.

What about other modelers: NI guitar rig2, and the new Digitech,...?
What about using a BBE Sonic Maximizer or the Harmonic Converger?
Or software like NI Guitar Rig2 or Amplitube,...?

I don't use very high-gain sounds. The rectifier's vintage channel with 50% gain is great for what I like.

All I am just looking for THE sound for my songs.

Thanks in advance!
Marko

[shogun]

have u tried switching the cab, mic, and stomp models in different configs on the pod?

[Marko@Rockvoice]

Originally Posted by shogun

have u tried switching the cab, mic, and stomp models in different configs on the pod?

of course I have!
But some problems cannot be solved the easy way.
Pod sounds like pod.
So I tried ReValver MK2 with more realistic results:

http://www.rockvoice.de/audio/rectif...r-3guitars.mp3

These are 3 guitars (left, middle, right) - with Rectifier model in Vintage mode with very little gain.

[sniperfrommars1]

Adjusting the output level, and pad function on the pod often fixes most problems in relation to fizz, you may also wish to adjust your amp flat, and adjust your output mode freqency range. It will allow you to scoop high end fizz, or emphasize the low end of the unit to suit your taste. The digitech is so fizzy i dont even know what to say about it, just stay away from that imo. The pod really is about as good as it gets for amp modelling now, and the new spidervalve with bogner tubes will really warm things up

[Marko@Rockvoice]

Thanks, but never heard of this

Originally Posted by sniperfrommars1

Adjusting the output level, and pad function on the pod often fixes most problems in relation to fizz

??? Output level okay, but what pad funktion do you mean and how can I cancel the fizz with what pad funktions?

you may also wish to adjust your amp flat, and adjust your output mode freqency range. It will allow you to scoop high end fizz, or emphasize the low end of the unit to suit your taste.

you mean I chose a different output mode than "Studio direct"?
How does this sound when going strait into the soundcard?

The pod really is about as good as it gets for amp modelling now, and the new spidervalve with bogner tubes will really warm things up

yeah, maybe. But for recording? If I had the possiblilty of miking a real amp, I would go for an EnGL or a Mesa.
Line 6 should release a POD with tubes!!!

[sniperfrommars1]

Originally Posted by Marko@Rockvoice

Thanks, but never heard of this



??? Output level okay, but what pad funktion do you mean and how can I cancel the fizz with what pad funktions?



you mean I chose a different output mode than "Studio direct"?
How does this sound when going strait into the soundcard?



yeah, maybe. But for recording? If I had the possiblilty of miking a real amp, I would go for an EnGL or a Mesa.
Line 6 should release a POD with tubes!!!

Well the pad function is on my floor pod, its designed to do a number of things it states in the manual but i call it the single coil vs. humbucker switch.


Actually Line 6 just teamed up with Bogner to produce a tube head! Check it out on their website its only been up for a couple of days. Dont listen to the soundclicks the idiots from advertising, used a studio direct function that bypassed the tubes :P

Well as far as output mode, you can adjust the raw level being sent to record which will reduce hiss and fizz greatly, but if your in studio direct mode, i dont think you get the tone shaping capabilities. Have you just tried odl school micing your pod? That way you can select an output mode desinged for your amp, and adjust the frequencys from there to your liking.

[Drew]

This actually touches on one of the biggest problems with modelling, for me - I think all of the "modeled" Rectifier patches are based on the "Modern" mode, and not the Vintage or Raw modes (which both own).

If you don't have the cash for a Dual or Triple, well, what do used Single Rectifiers go for around you? I just impulse bought one not too long ago after being a lifelong Rectifier hater, and with a Hot Plate in line so I can drive the poweramp at sane volumes, I've become a total convert.

[sniperfrommars1]

Originally Posted by Drew

This actually touches on one of the biggest problems with modelling, for me - I think all of the "modeled" Rectifier patches are based on the "Modern" mode, and not the Vintage or Raw modes (which both own).

If you don't have the cash for a Dual or Triple, well, what do used Single Rectifiers go for around you? I just impulse bought one not too long ago after being a lifelong Rectifier hater, and with a Hot Plate in line so I can drive the poweramp at sane volumes, I've become a total convert.

Hmmm. I think the primary issue is that the concept of what a mesa sounds like is so broad. Ive seen them used for so many different styles. The key thing with a mesa in my opinion though is the sound of their cabs. Nothing sounds like them at all to me, im not sure whats going with them, but ive played dozens and the cabs themselves have such a pronounced low end presence to them that its hard to imagine anything comparing to them. So lets be honest, plugging a modelling floor board/pod/box into a solid state amp, with at best generic speakers isnt going to produce that low end thomp, and will have an inherit amount of fizz due to the amp itself being ****ty. Ive had better results running my pod through higher end amps, and equipment. You cant polish a turd but you can make it sound better :P.

[Drew]

Marko, why exactly can't you record a live amp? I think maybe we should see if there's a reason we can work around there, rather than immediately assume a direct recorded modeler is the way to go.

The problem is that virtually every modeler I've ever run across models the Modern mode, and not the Vintage. I was always quite impressed with the Recto model on the old Johnson J-Station, but again, it's Modern and not Vintage. Evidently, the new Zoom modeling stuff has a surprisingly good Recto model (!!!), but again, it's Modern mode...

If volume and price is your only concern, a Single Rectifier coupled with a Hot Plate might be the way to go...

[LonePhantom]

I'm pretty sure the Zoom G series model their Mesa Rectifier sims on the vintage mode. Might be worth checking out. I have a Zoom G7.1ut and the Rectifier sim it has is listed as the vintage one. The G9.2tt should have both a modern and a vintage sim.

[Dee]

Originally Posted by Drew

Marko, why exactly can't you record a live amp? I think maybe we should see if there's a reason we can work around there, rather than immediately assume a direct recorded modeler is the way to go.

He said:

Originally Posted by Marko@Rockvoice

I do not have the money for a dual or triple rectifier or even a roadking + box with V30's AND I do not have the room to record a loud amp. So I have to find another solution.

For what it's worth, and the gear snobs are welcome to laugh all they want, I use the V-Amp Pro's Mesa emulator all the time and I like it a lot. Whether or not it sounds convincingly like a Mesa, I don't actually know or care, the sound is very usable and the V-Amp Pro is dirt cheap.

[TREVA]

nothing will sound like a rectifier .
nothing will sound like a pod .
nothing will sound like a zoom .
Only the thing itself !

[LonePhantom]

Originally Posted by TREVA

nothing will sound like a rectifier .
nothing will sound like a pod .
nothing will sound like a zoom .
Only the thing itself !

Originally Posted by Drew

The problem is that virtually every modeler I've ever run across models the Modern mode, and not the Vintage. I was always quite impressed with the Recto model on the old Johnson J-Station, but again, it's Modern and not Vintage. Evidently, the new Zoom modeling stuff has a surprisingly good Recto model (!!!), but again, it's Modern mode...

Drew is a known Mesa Boogie fan with experience with many Mesa amps. I'd be guessing he'd have a good ear for the Mesa sound, so if he thinks something is capable of a sounding somewhat like a Mesa I'd say it sounds somewhat like a Mesa.