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Old 05-01-2003, 02:30 PM
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Bogner shiva amps versus marshall...


What should I buy? A Marshall JCM2000TSL110 or a bogner shiva?
I want the typical touching tongues sound...
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Old 05-01-2003, 02:46 PM
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Re: Bogner shiva amps versus marshall...


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What should I buy? A Marshall JCM2000TSL110 or a bogner shiva?
I want the typical touching tongues sound...
Bogner all the way dude. Forget that crap called "Marshall".
If possible, the Ecstasy or Uberschall.
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Old 05-01-2003, 03:00 PM
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Bogner.
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Old 05-01-2003, 03:22 PM
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I have a Shiva 1x12 EL34 reverb. The clean is surprisingly great...could have a bit more sparkle, but for an EL34 amp it's sweet. As far as the gain channel, to honest, I prefer using my favorite pedals into the clean channel. The Shiva is not really a high gain amp...you can get fairly high gain using the boost, but to me it's not very musical. I think the dirty channel definitely sounds better at higher volumes, but I don't get it there much. It will come to personal taste for you. For me, easy pick...I don't like the Marshall 2000 at all.
Greg
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Old 05-01-2003, 03:27 PM
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I love the Uberschall but to compare it to a JCM2000 is like comparing a Mustang GT to a Porsche 911. Both are nice but the Bogner is really in a different league. It is over twice as much money. You could buy an a full Marshall stack for the price of a Bogner head.
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Old 05-01-2003, 03:58 PM
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yeah, Bogner ALL THE WAY! Those amps just oozes quality.
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Old 05-01-2003, 05:12 PM
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Wich one is the most functional. The marshall is a 3 channel amp! I want to get a very versatile range of sounds out of my amp. Fromů sparkleclean to dirty sustains.

Isn't the Marshall a more heavy rock amp and the shiva a bluesy amp?
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Old 05-01-2003, 06:04 PM
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I have some experience (a few gigs) with the TSL. The clean channel seemed pretty un-dynamic, so I used the crunch channel for cleans, just turned down the vol know on my guitar a bit. And the 3rd channel is just like cranking up a Marshall preamp with an overdrive pedal.
My overall impression of the TSL was that it wasn't that responsive to the sound of my guitar, it somehow lacked personality, in lack of a better term. It's an ok amp, but I'd never buy one new.

Remember, a good quality responsive tube amp and a good overdrive pedal plus the range you get by fiddling with the controls of your guitar can produce a vast variety of sounds. The versatility is more a matter of your guitar and your playing skills, IMHO. If you already got a good amp, find a guitar that sounds useful with every combination of controls, and off you go! My current main gitbox works fine from metal to country to blues to funk and back. It took me a while to find all those sounds, but it sure was worth it.
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