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Old 12-26-2007, 06:25 PM
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Building my first rack..


Hey all, Im just about to start putting together my first rack as ive been using a pretty naf valveking head for around a year now which I have slowly grown to hate to the point where I warm up and exercise on a clean 15w amp then plug into the VK then moments later unplug and turn off .. I have saved a fair bit O cash (mite as well upgrade properly ) this is the rig I will be getting..

Gator 6U rack (brought)
Samson PB10 power (brought)
T.C. G-Major (brought)
Mesa Triaxis
Mesa 20/20

Thats the basic rack I will be making, as you can see ive just purchased a few of the bits and although I could afford the 20/20 and triaxis now but I dont wana empty my account!

I wonder if someone in the know could tell me what I will need to controll the rig with? I have been looking at MIDI footswitches but I am unsure If I will need a rack controller lol.

Ultimately I want to be able to change channels on the triaxis and select patches from the G-major at the same time from hitting a single switch.

For example (the basic's!)..

switch 1 = Clean + chorus + delay
switch 2 = 70's rock rythm tone with slight reverb
switch 3 = High gain shred mode + delay

ect..

Im thinking an 8-10 switch midi controller would do..

Thanks for any help! don't worry im sure either way I'll figure it out!, just would be nice to get a bit of help

cheers, chris

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Old 12-26-2007, 06:35 PM
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Actually im pretty sure the G-major can switch amp channels too but only 3! any advice would be great!!

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Old 12-26-2007, 09:04 PM
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I have been looking at MIDI footswitches but I am unsure If I will need a rack controller lol.
Ya don't need a rack controller [yet] base on the setup you mentioned since:
a) the Triaxis already has 3 analog switching jacks (for the 2:90 poweramp). They're mono switches and can only turn one channel on/off per switch.
b) The G-Major has 1 analog stereo [technically, 2 mono] jack, on/off per channel.

So there's about 5 switches readily available with the Triaxis + G-Major combo. However, you might not need to use 'em since both Preamp + FX units are MIDI equipped! Meaning you have at least 100 patches and endless amounts of tone-exploration. Using your example, your setup would be something like:

PATCH 1 = Clean + chorus + delay
PATCH 2 = 70's rock rythm tone with slight reverb
PATCH 3 = High gain shred mode + delay
PATCH 4 = High gain shred mode + delay + whammy [off to be turned on by an assignable bank number]
PATCH 24 = 70's rock rhythm with chorus + delay + noise/gate
PATCH 99 = Ambient Obscurity
PATCH 100 = To Be Continued... [that's a G-Major patch right? ]

You'll need a rack controller (like a GCX) if your amp isn't Midi-equipped i.e. to enable all the channel switching/eq switch/reverb switching of a Mark IV amp with a single footswitch instead of connecting 3 separate footswitches.

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I wonder if someone in the know could tell me what I will need to controll the rig with?
I've been shopping for midi controllers as well... so far, recommended were: Rolls/RFX midibuddy, Rocktron MidiMate, GCX Ground Control Pro or a Ground Control One; if you're lucky, a Mesa/Boogie Abacus is THE midi pedal for the Triaxis but they are rare and cost as much as a great condition G-major. These controllers are mainly used to change patches and/or turning an effect in a patch on/off.
To get the continuous control [CC] to work, you need a volume pedal to connect the midi controller itself [if there is one] and assign a midi channel for that specific effect/parameter. Or you can also shop for other midi pedals with built-in foot controls: Roland FC-200/Roland FC-300, Rocktron All-Access LTD, Art X-15. There are few others I just can't think of at the moment. Some of these midi controllers have a stereo jack for amp switching. And of course, price increases for added features/functionality

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Ultimately I want to be able to change channels on the triaxis and select patches from the G-major at the same time from hitting a single switch.
Just find a 1m midi cable to connect the two[midi out from device A ---> midi in to device B]. Programming Midi should be explained in the manuals for either but make sure the midi channel for both is set to Omni [this will make more sense once you have all the gear]. From this point, it's a matter which device the foot controller is going in first. Do you want to control the FX unit and have it change patches for the preamp OR do you want to control the preamp and have it changing patches for the FX unit? Once ya figure that out, you're about set. Connect midi foot controller into midi in of device A. You'll know it works when stepping bank 1 on the pedal changes both the preamp and FX to patch 1.
As i've mentioned earlier, I don't have a midi pedal yet but I'm able to trigger bank changes on the ENGL Z-11 [Midi channel switcher] through the G-Major.
Hope this clarifies a few things.

Reg

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Old 12-27-2007, 06:32 AM
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Re: Building my first rack..


Judasbane - Thanks very much for taking the time to help me out! That has helped fair bit, I guess everything will make a lot more sense once I have got all the unit's and spent time reading each manual through!

cheers, chris
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Old 12-27-2007, 09:16 AM
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Im thinking about a Rocktron MidiMate now, will have to keep looking into it.. it seems alrite for what I want I tell ya some of these Midi footswitches are damn ugly!! (not that I'll let that get in my way lol)
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Old 12-27-2007, 09:22 AM
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Can't beat a nice rack.....

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Old 12-27-2007, 10:18 AM
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Re: Building my first rack..


damn you Andy - I just saw this thread title and was about to write the same thing - you beat me to it
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Old 12-27-2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: Building my first rack..


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Ya don't need a rack controller [yet] base on the setup you mentioned since:
a) the Triaxis already has 3 analog switching jacks (for the 2:90 poweramp). They're mono switches and can only turn one channel on/off per switch.
b) The G-Major has 1 analog stereo [technically, 2 mono] jack, on/off per channel...
Actually the Triaxis has 4 switches, not to split hairs...
The G Major has as you said 2 from a single jack.

The rig you're building is what I have currently except I'm running the 2:ninety.
Once you've gotten used to how the 20/20 works in the rig, wait until you get the big brother, it's like an awakening!

I never heard my 4x12 breathe so much with the 20/20.
The 2:90 opens the gates and pours tone into the speakers and makes them move air.

Not bad for a 1st rack, though, you've chosen wisely.

If anyone wants to share patch settings, I'm up for that.

BTW, you may want to look into the G major users group on Yahoo Groups, lots of advice and tools there. Tools meaning software, not people...

Make sure you get a MIDI Pedal with at least inputs for continuous controllers if not one with them built in.
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Old 12-27-2007, 12:15 PM
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Re: Building my first rack..


2:90 should come with a lifetime supply of ear plugs, though.
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Old 12-27-2007, 12:18 PM
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Actually the Triaxis has 4 switches, not to split hairs...
The G Major has as you said 2 from a single jack.
thanks for clarifying....

synth: Rocktron and the GCX controllers use 7-pin midi outs... if you end up that route, you'll need a 7-pin to 5-pin midi cable.

Reg
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Old 12-27-2007, 12:26 PM
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Re: Building my first rack..


You should look into getting a ISP Decimator and a BBE Sonic Maximizer too...
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You should look into getting a ISP Decimator and a BBE Sonic Maximizer too...
never used the rackmount Decimator but the stomp box version is top drawer stuff!

what does the BBE do?
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Old 12-27-2007, 01:43 PM
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Re: Building my first rack..


Cool, thanks for replies guys! I have a feeling I may leave the midi switch till I have all the units and rack together and have read all the manuals through a few times! It sounds pretty complicated (although im sure I'll get it). Im really looking forward to having a pro-system! Although Im sure the other guitarist in my main band will try and give me some grief for it.. (an "I just plug & play" guy, arh!)

Ive actually got a Isp Decimator ProRack-G on my maybe list! although the G-Major does have a noise gate hence the "Maybe" List! I'll just have to wait and see how the G-Major's does..

Also something I just want to get a few opinions on.. A new Cab.

A mesa 2x12 or 4x12 would have been nice but I have been looking at the price and was wondering if there are any very good alternatives..

I have a Marshall 2x12 1936 I had thought about upgrading the speakers to Celestion Vintage 30's but was told it would be worth it with such a "cheaply made" cab. I have herd the Orange Cab's are a good quality SOLID alternative, any opinions on this?

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Make sure you get a MIDI Pedal with at least inputs for continuous controllers if not one with them built in.
Will keep that in mind man, thanks

Thanks for your help guys, chris
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Old 12-27-2007, 07:14 PM
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thanks for clarifying....

synth: Rocktron and the GCX controllers use 7-pin midi outs... if you end up that route, you'll need a 7-pin to 5-pin midi cable.

Reg
You don't need one, but it's nice
Actually, the Triaxis has a 7 pin out as well, so you can power a pedal that is wired for it.
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Old 12-27-2007, 10:57 PM
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I have a Marshall 2x12 1936 I had thought about upgrading the speakers to Celestion Vintage 30's but was told it would be worth it with such a "cheaply made" cab. I have herd the Orange Cab's are a good quality SOLID alternative, any opinions on this?
Sure... are the stocks greenbacks? if so, the vintage 30's will give a little more headroom and has a warmer tone.
I'm not sure about the construction of either cabs but I'd lean towards the Orange's being more solid [plus you can't go wrong with the orange tolex :P].
Other members seem to have great experience with Avatar cabs: solid, inexpensive and you get to choose your options.
If you already have a 2x12, just get another 2x12, presuming they're both rated at 8ohms a cab, and run your rig in stereo once you get the 20/20

Reg
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