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Old 09-17-2002, 10:23 PM
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Cab, Cab and more Cabs


What is your favorite speaker cab?
What would you do if you we going to make you own cab from scatch?
What speakers, wood(s), straight or slanted and dementions would you use?
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Old 09-17-2002, 10:58 PM
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Wow, I could go on for days about this...

I build two way speakers as a hobby, and I also run hand made 3-5 watt
tube amps for playing music exclusivly. This is my "listening setup" to
give you an idea of how nutty/serious about audio.

Generally my setup goes Denon solid copper chassy CD player with some
minor mods, 99.999% pure silver braded interconnect, tube amp with
copper or silver hand braded speaker wires that are run INTO the speaker
tower soldered directly onto the speakers with nothing but a capaciter on
the tweeter to filter out low frequency.

I would use the same "as direct as possible" method for building guitar
cabs. I've not done it yet, but I suppose I would build something like this:

If this was a gigging cab I would build a typically sized 4X12 out of pine
plywood. It would be cross braced in all X/Y/Z directions, and it would
probably have the backs of the drivers braced with 2" dowels againsed
the back of the cab for better highs. the ONLY cutouts I would have on
the cab would be for the four speakers! So I would have flush-mount
metal carrying handles, flush mount casters, and the speaker wire
would be some nice 10 gauge wired DIRECTLY to the four drivers with
about a 50' lead coming out of a silicone sealed hole in the back of the
cab. NO PLUG. Directly soldered.

For drivers I would probably use Celestion Vintage 30s at 16 Ohms
wired in series/parallel to keep them at 16 Ohms. Most heads seem to
like the higher impedence (Assuming tube head). And it would have
a steel grill rather then cloth covering the face of the drivers/cab.

Now that I'm thinking about this, I might make a variant for really hard
core metal players where the 4X12 cab would be (internally) divided in
half horizontally, so it would be like two seperate cabinets in one. The top
one would have an optional removable back, and be loaded with Vintage
30s, and the bottom would have a sealed back and be loaded with EVM
full range PA 12" drivers much like the old Mesa Boogies.

If I was building a "Studio Only" cab. I would probably build a stereo
pair basically following the same design of the above mentioned cab,
again using pine, vintage 30s, braced speakers, cables soldered directly
to the drivers, and these would most likely be a "half back" design with
a sealed cab on the bottom, and open cab (option) on the top. Oh, I forgot
to mention, the "studio 2X12" cabs would also be oversized. They would
be a 2X12 verticle cab, but they would be almost the size of a 4X12 so
you get "a bigger sound" out of them.

As a backup and for some voicing differences, I would have a typical
but slightly oversized 2X12 horizontal cab (think Legacy 2X12) that
wouldn't be braced, but would be oversized and still have the metal
grill. The idea would be to have a spare cab that you would "quick-change"
drivers for different tone while you were in the studio, and the cab
would NOT be heavily braced like the two above ideas because you would
want the "cabinet resonation" to be part of the tone! IMHO blending a
"doubled recording" of this cab with the studio 2X12 cabs mentioned
above would give you a VERY full sound that would sound GREAT on tape!

Ok, that's it for now. You're all probably really worried about me now or
considering stealing my ideas and starting your own companies! LOL
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Old 09-17-2002, 11:09 PM
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im happy with all my cabs.

Marshall 1960 A it does just what i needs it to do

My FAV Older Mesa Slant with 200 watt EV's
my main cab

2 ADA slants with 50 watt celestians. built like tanks

and an old yamaha cab i use for acoustics sweet sound..

i have thought about getting other cabs to replace the marshall but when it comes down to it, my set up is very complete for me..
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Old 09-18-2002, 01:12 AM
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i've only owned a few cabs so far. a fender roc pro 412, a marshall 1960a, 3 peavey 5150s, and most recently a peavey 412ms. of all of them i prefered the marshall for everything overall, but for my tone, the 5150s were the ****. they only had one problem, tho: 16ohm mono only. towards the end of me owning them i was trying varied setups using an mp-1 and the 5150 head, i like sounds to come from similar heights. had the 5150 cabs been stereo, i could have had 4 left be one source and 4 right be another, instead of up and down. this created tweaking hell and bad bass response for the top cab. the roc pro was a great bang for the buck cab. like $300-400 new back in the day(paid for using the old musician's friend payment plan when i was REALLY poor, now i am comfortably poor...i wish carvin had a payment plan back then). the roc pro series was fender's attempt at a valvestate type amp...and failed miserably. the cab was a "mini" 412 and had paralleled inputs-mono! sounded good, but lacked low end. the a960 lacked the low end, too, but made up for it with clarity and a smooth lower midrange. the 5150s were low end personified. really, really warm cabs based on the fact that the highs were squished to become high mids( i fixed that, tho... can we say graphic eq in the effects loop?). the peavey 412ms has the best of both the 1960a and the 5150s. the 412ms has the low end rumle thanks to the sheffield speakers(1290s no 1200 like the 5150) heavy and same type materials and design as the 5150s and the slant and mids of the 1960a. since i run a flextone 2 hd into it, i pretty much have 16 types of speakers at my disposal. the peavey 412ms is actually one of the most "transparent" cabs i have had the pleasure to use, so its perfect for line6 and other modeler preamp rigs.


rich
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Old 09-18-2002, 02:40 AM
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Dunno about specific cabs, but Celestion speakers are the ones I like.
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Old 09-18-2002, 12:03 PM
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Lonely Raven - Can you be more specific, please?
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Old 09-18-2002, 01:32 PM
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Well, I've been using the Genz Benz G-Flex 212 cab for a couple of years now. This sucker KILLS almost every single 212 or 412 I've ever heard, including the Mesa &amp; Marshall. It has a massive sound! The Peavey 412MS is a great cab too. Built like a tank &amp; can take tons of sonic abuse!

I play in 2 different bands &amp; so I decided it would be cool to have 1 cab in each of my practice spaces. It keeps me from having to lug my cabs around. SO...I purchased a Behringer Ultrastack 412 straight cab &amp; I received it today. It'll get some use tonite &amp; this weekend. Once I've had a few days to listen to it, I'll post a review. I just couldn't resist the price. And at a 400w rating, it should be able to take the abuse.

The ultimate cab would be a straight front closed-back 412 with 200w EV speakers running at 4 ohms. There would be a "wall" separating the top 2 speakers from the bottom 2 speakers (the 2 cabs in one idea mentioned earlier). The bottom 2 speakers would be ported though. Talk about thunderous!
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Old 09-18-2002, 02:18 PM
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What about a Genz-Benz GFlex 2x12 on the bottom and a Mesa 2x12 on the top? That might come close.
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Old 09-18-2002, 02:36 PM
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I like a good-ol' Marshall 1960-series cab. they're loaded with Celestions. I use slant cabs (1960A) with my tube heads. Since straight cabs often enhance the bottom end, I use a 1960B with my solid state head.

Mike 777 Haug
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