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post #1 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-07-2004, 07:06 PM Thread Starter
 
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Got my Bogner 4x12....first impressions

Hey folks,

Gotta act fast if I want this...been looking for a good cabinet to go with my Rivera TBR1-SL and I really want a 4x12. Local guy selling a bogner with celestions, wheat grill, good shape...
No idea if his price is reasonable...any input on what these go for typically? I know these are great cabs and this is even a straight front which is what I was after.

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post #2 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-08-2004, 08:21 AM
 
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Bogner makes nice cabs, no doubt there. He will probably ask for more, but I would have a hard time paying over $500 for a used one. Heck, I'd have a hard time paying $500 for any cab. I've seen them go for $600-700 used the most.

I guess if you're trying to justify the price... figure a set of 4 celestions will cost you $400-450 new. So $200 for a VERY WELL made cabinet is not all that horrible when put in perspective.
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post #3 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-08-2004, 10:02 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks Jay,

I was able to find a used sale off ebay that went for $700 in the same condition. New they retail for $1000 with little to no discounts offered, like Mesa and Rivera stuff, at least as far as I can tell. I made an offer so we'll see. Sure is a nice cabinet though!!
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I got a chance to try my TBR-2SL through a friends Bogner 4x12" and I didn't wanna unplug I still like my Rivera 2x12" with the TBR, but...that Bogner was a smokin' cab! They're pricey, but there aren't too many other cabs that I've liked as much.
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post #5 of 13 (permalink) Old 01-08-2004, 11:42 AM Thread Starter
 
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Thanks Chris, the bogner will be for my TBR1-SL. Through my boogie cab it sounds huge...can't imagine how much better it would be through the bogner. We're working out the details...if I wind up with it, I'll post my observations.
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i agree. I've never been able to play through a Bogner cab, but it's a Bogner, so it can't be bad. I'd try to go for it, if he was asking a reasonable price.
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I think one of the things i liked most about my (now gone) Shiva combo was the cab...sounded huge for a combo. They must be doing something right with the plywood.
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I'm bummed out...the guy traded it for a digital recording setup which is what he was looking to get anyway, works out better for him.

Oh well, I do have a Bogner dealer here locally. As it turns out, the used cab didn't have vintage 30's in it either, but the dealer has the same cab with vintage 30's so I may just go drag it home anyway.

Spending money sure is fun...I can't wait to hear the Rivera through it. I'll hopefully pick it up tonight or tomorrow and it really won't be too much more than a used one. That free's up my boogie cab to use as an extension to my Nomad 45 2x12. The 3/4 back combo sounds killer when you put a closed back 2x12 with it.

Thanks for all the input.
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All I can say is OHHHH MY GAWWWWWDDDDDD. This cabinet is incredible. Extremely even, huge amounts of low end, very very woody and thick. The rivera was just sick sounding but I still need to dial it in. To be honest, I almost had more fun playing clean tones than distortion, it is just crystaline.

As great as the rivera sounded through it, I drug out the Nomad and unplugged the combo speakers and ran just through the Bogner....holy crap. The nomad doesn't have tons of low end through the combo but it turns into a different animal with the Bogner...it sounded incredible.

If you have a chance to demo one of these, jump on it. They are gorgeous and sound better than they look. I couln't get a harsh tone to come out of it. Round and full high end, not a hint of harshness and just phat-assed mid range and huge amounts of low end thump. It loved the strat and UV equally. I am amazed, but I need to spend more time with it...most folks are enamored with their new gear, I know, but this thing is simply in a different league altogether.
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Sounds like a winner. I wonder how much of the improvement is due simply to the 4x12 close back config vs. the Bogner design?
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Dunno...I've had other 4x12s before, but not with the same amp line up as I have today so it's hard to tell. But I was really impressed with the even response and the tone of the high end in this cabinet. Most other 4x12's I've heard (most marshalls) seemed a little harsh in the upper freqs...but there are so many different factors that go into what you are really hearing that it'd be tough to say why. It'd be cool to grab a marshall, a mesa, and whatever else you could scare up and try them all on the same amps. I didn't have that luxury, but that would be fun.
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...but if you went into a GC with the thing, saying "I just bought this, but I'm not 100% sure it's what I want... Could I A/B it agaisnt a few of yours?" and if they could stop drooling enough to speak, then i'm sure you might be able to do something...

Out of curiosity, how much do these things go for? I've kinda been lusting for a 4x12, if nothing else just for aesthetic reasons... I'd miss the portability, but a 75 lb. 2x12 is hardly portable in any conventional sense of the term, anyway... I'd rather just shove around a 100lb cab on casters.

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Cheapest price I could find published was $975...retail list is $1000. The little shop I got it from was able to do better, partly due to paying in cash...but not a lot better. It weighs in at just shy of 100 lbs, but the casters are top quality. Oddly enough, it isn't any more difficult to move around than my mesa 2x12, like you said the weight isn't that much more and the carrying handle location on the boogie just blows. But car loading requires the right vehicle and another body unless you don't mind scuffing the crap out of stuff.

Another cabinet that has gotten good reviews is the Jenkins sound shop cabinets...but you'd be buying on faith as you can't try it out. Those are still going to run some $$$, but not quite as steep as the bogner. When the studio is finished, I'll a/b the bogner against the boogie using the other power section of the Rivera and let you know how they compare.
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