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Old 01-12-2008, 10:46 AM
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Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


Obviously noone wants to lug around a real Leslie (furniture!) cab to get that sound and to say they are expensive is an understatement.

I have been toying with the idea of a Hughes and Kettner Rotosphere ($499!!!) as it seems to rate the highest (and it has a tube in it...MMMMmm).

I tried the Motion Sound Pro version that is about the size of a home stereo receiver and it sounds very nice but is over $750.

Do you guys use a leslie sound? What are you using or what have you had experience with?
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:26 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


I programmed a chorus and panner to work in unison on one of the patches of my Digitech GSP2101. Although, to be fair, I was going for a UniVibe (Hendrix) type of sound, not strictly Rotary Speaker/Leslie.

So may want to try the Digitech Jimi Hendrix pedal (Little wing preset has rotary speaker, Star Spangled banner setting has UniVibe)
http://www.digitech.com/products/Hen...al/Hendrix.htm

Or the real Dunlop UniVibe:
http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?p...cts/pip&id=282
and its counterpart the RotoVibe:
http://www.jimdunlop.com/index.php?p...cts/pip&id=284

How about this thing, Pigtronix EP-1 ?
http://www.gitaarnet.nl/magazine/git...pigtronix.php3
sorry, the website is in Dutch. It does mention John Scofield as a user.
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:52 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


I have a decent Uni Vibe with my PW-10 Boss pedal (as well as MANY Boss distortions built in, 3 different tweakable wah sounds and other crazy stuff).

I've been using it in place of a leslie sound and sometimes in place of a tremelo effect when I don't have my Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb on hand (it has REAL tube tremelo). I like having control over the exact speed with the PW-10 but I guess I would get used to the slow/fast/stop functions on the H&K version (which I belive is the same functions found on the original leslie cabs).

For the time I spent researching the leslie effect the best two I've found are the Motion Sound product and the H&K version. I'll proably bite the bullet and get the H&K version unless anyone knows of anything else or has anything else to add?
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:15 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


Here are a bunch of replies I recieved when I asked on a listserver I belong to

Funny you should request info on this sort of pedal, as I JUST replied to a
similar request on another list. Here's what I had to say:

First off, what sound are you looking for, or are you just looking for a
Leslie simulator? Reason I ask, is I have always loved the organic, living
sound of a Leslie/B3 organ. So, I bought a Dunlop Rotovibe about 15 years
ago, which back then was about it as far as selection goes. It does a very
good job on the Robin Trower / Bridge of Sighs tone, and the Vaughan
Brothers D/FW sound. What it will not do - is SRV's Cold Shot or
Superstition.

About a month ago, I bought a Line 6 Tonecore Roto-Machine pedal. It was in
the right price range (about $40-60 on ****) and the online sound demos
sounded interesting. Once it arrived, I A/B'd it with the Rotovibe.... The
Rotovibe still has a sweet organic 'thing' to it, but the Roto-Machine walks
off and leaves it in the dust for versatality. With the Roto-Machine you
actually get 3 Leslie models, each a distinct voice. One mocks the same
Leslie the Rotovibe does, another nails the SRV-Cold Shot sound, and yet
another mimics the rest of the famous leslie tones. The Rotovibe has one
continuous sweep for the speed, by moving the rocker part of the pedal up
and down like a wah. The Roto-Machine on the other hand has 2 preset (by
you) variable speeds, fast and slow. Where as a real Leslie had 2 hardset
speeds (fast and slow), the RM has a dial for the fast and slow speeds
independant of each other, and they dont overlap. The Rotovibe has a
intensity knob only, where as the RM has seperate knobs for intensity for
the horn(speaker) and drum (the rotating drum around the speaker). You can
dial in custom sounds no Leslie has ever been capable of before, however,
like most infinitely tweakable effects, you will find yourself settling on
the sounds of the orginals whether by familiarity or because they got it
right the first time and the rest just dont cut it. The Rotovibe also has
tremolo capability in addition to the chorus sound by way of a side switch,
so it does double duty where as the Roto-Machine doesnt sound quite like
tremolo even when it tries. Line 6 does offer a tremolo pedal which has a
lot of potential as well, but that's a whole other story.

The thing that really sets the Roto-Machine apart is the built-in overdrive.
With it dialed up, you can get that to-die-for, pissed off, who plugged my
110v Leslie into a 220v socket aggressive tone SRV got on the live version
of Superstition.

I dont have any experience with the really expensive Leslie emulators, but I
cant imagine them being more useful, easy to tweak or better sounding than
the Line 6 Roto Machine. I've read great things about the Boss and H&K (I
think?) offerings, but the Line 6 got my attention for 3 reasons - size,
price, and I already had a Line 6 Tonecore Echo Park and it impressed the
hell out of me. These pedals (Tonecore family) weigh about 2lbs. each, eat a
9v battery in 45 minutes and dont like to share AC power supplies with other
pedals, so they do have some drawbacks. The Rotovibe on the other hand, is
the size of a wah pedal (same housing, just painted red), weighs a couple of
pounds or more, but - a 9v battery will last years (literally, I've had the
same 9v in it for 2-3 years).

If I missed anything, let me know - I'll be glad to try them for you at
least for another week or so, till the Rotovibe goes on **** this sunday.
(also going is a Boss Blues Driver, in case anyone is interested in one)
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:15 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


Ahhh, the Uni-Vibe. Not sure of the exact technology behind the late
60's original (going for $1k + these days),but I believe it involved
a rotating light source flashing on a photo-electric resistor - this
gives the "doppler-esque" swirl that is very hard to digitally
model.It's esentially a Phaser/ phase-shift circuit, but the unique
tone is due to the swirling.

If you want to hear how all of them sound, most sites have audio
samples - it'll give you a representative take as to what it sounds
like.

There are many UV products out there Dunlup Uni-Vibe, Provibe, Dave
Fox at FoxxRox used to make them (Captain Coconut 1 & 2),Fuller at
Fulltone makes 1 or 2. I've heard good things about the MicroVibe.

The main diffrence between the Rotovibe and the others is that the
rate and effect depth on the Rotovibe are kind of linear-sounding -
it's close to a UniVibe sound, but it doesn't have the pulse (some
call it "throb") heard on stuff like Trower's "Bridge of Sighs" and
Jimi's "Machine Gun".

I have a FoxRoxx rackmont UV,a Rotovibe, a Dunlop U-vibe,and the Line
6 Modulation Modeler which has a U-Vibe setting. The FoxRoxx rack is
really good,but unwieldy for stomp box users. I think the best one I
got is the Dunlup Univibe - has a jack to connect a foot pedal for
varying speed. I've heard great things about the Fuller stuff -
Trower was using these for a while.

I also like the Line 6 MM pedal, but the Uvibe setting is not as good
as the Dunlop. It's just that the pedal has four settings,and takes
up less room on my crowded pedal board.
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:16 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


I've got the H&K Tube Rotosphere - it's very much like a Leslie if that's what you're looking for. Same slow and fast speeds, different ramping of speeds for both the virtual scoop and horn. It's a nice unit if you want a Leslie but don't want to haul that monster cabinet around.

I've also got the Fulltone Stereo Mini Deja Vibe. The Deja Vibe is the pedal to use if you want the Trower/Hendrix sound. It nails that sound. Yes, it's expensive, but I found mine on evilbay for a much lower price. All it takes is watching and patience and one will show up.
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Old 01-13-2008, 11:18 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


Finally
Everything you wanted to know about Univibe but where affraid toask

http://www.geofex.com:80/Article_Fol...e/uvfrindx.htm

I just copied and pasted these from the emails, so please forgive any useless information. I also started a thread here not to long ago about the Rotovibe/Univibe. I think Im going with the Fulltone one, but like people said in the emails, a Univibe isnt the same thing as a Leslie simulator. If I was going for more of a Leslie sound I would probably get the Line 6 Tone Core. I have 3 of those pedals and love them.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:13 PM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


I've got a Micro Vibe and Line 6 MM-4.

I use the MM-4 for my gig pedalboard because of the 4 program options. It has Hammond Leslie, Uni-Vibe and Fender Vibratone models. IMO, it wins the "best bang for the bucks" award hands down.
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:21 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


Thanks for the replies gang. Lots of info there Cid. I'll check into the Tone Core pedal. If it can do double duty for a Leslie AND Tremelo it might be a good choice to save space on my board and a little $ in the long run.

The MM-4 sounds interesting too but I have my PW-10 that does double duty as a wah and uni-vibe.
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:31 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


Funny you were asking SD, someone in craigslist in my area had one for sale for about $850 the other day. I believe my GT-Pro has a built-in Leslie/Rotary Speaker effect but I don't know if it's any good. The kind of Leslie sound I dig is the Santana sound from the "Abraxas" album.

Jimmy

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Old 01-14-2008, 10:56 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


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The MM-4 sounds interesting too but I have my PW-10 that does double duty as a wah and uni-vibe.
Besides Rotary and Tremolo effects, the MM-4 also has multiple Phaser, Flanger, Panning and Ring Modulator models in it's arsenal if that makes a difference. You can program up to 4 presets into the memory and foot switches.

I have the PW-10 as well. It's a sweet wah for the price.
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Old 01-14-2008, 11:53 AM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


Thanks Scott. I'll check out the MM-4. With the limited space I have on my pedal board it would be nice to conserve space with doubly duty pedals like my PW-10.

The one thing to watch for on the PW-10 (besides keeping the screws tightened on the side of the pedal) is to make sure the distortion is OFF everytime you set up. I didn't notice mine was ON once and I was going crazy trying to figure out what happened to my tone until I finally saw it was ON just the smallest amount.

** I just read some mixed reviews about the MM-4. I would need to get an expression pedal to run it as well but it does seem to have alot of FX packed into it.

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Old 01-14-2008, 02:39 PM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


What about the Fulltone Deja 2?

http://www.fulltone.com/DV2.asp

Ironically though, when Trower's units broke down on him in the late seventies, he swictched to a Boss CE-2 to emulate their sound. I use a CE-2 as well (the black label Japanese version), and it can do a pretty mean Leslie sound.
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:55 PM
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Re: Let's talk about Leslie/Rotary


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Funny you were asking SD, someone in craigslist in my area had one for sale for about $850 the other day. I believe my GT-Pro has a built-in Leslie/Rotary Speaker effect but I doni't know if it's any good. The kind of Leslie sound I dig is the Santana sound from the "Abraxas" album.

Jimmy

It wouldn't surprise me if the GT-Pro could do a decent imitation of this thing:

Boss-RT20-Rotary-Speaker-Sound-Processor,

which is about $200 and seems to get good reviews on muc-friend (4.5of5)
there are some other units in the same price category:

-Guyatone VT-X Tube Tremolo
-Gig-FX The Chopper
-Vox Cooltron CT06TR VibraVOX Tremolo/Vibrato Pedal

or these things, in line with the H&K on price, $400:

-Damage-Control-Glass-Nexus-Dual-Tube-ModEffects
-Eventide ModFactor
-Guyatone Ultrem Optical Tremolo
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