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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-26-2012, 11:19 PM Thread Starter
 
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Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

I'm looking to buy a new amp but I'm not sure what I should get. I'm looking for a serious upgrade from my Line 6 Spider and Fender starter amp. My main axe is an '87 Ibanez RG550 with Evo pickups, and currently rely heavily on my Digitech RP500 for my tone. I play a lot of Vai, Satriani, and Petrucci, so I'm looking for something with pretty high gain for shredding, etc. I also want it to have a decent clean tone and a good crunch.
I'm mostly looking to buy from a great local music store that's got plenty of good choices within my budget (less than $500). I tried out a Peavey Supreme XL and it was alright, but it's not exactly what I'm looking for. First of all, it's solid state, but I'd much rather have a tube amp. Also, I want something that's a bit fatter and warmer with smoother highs (which the tubes will probably give me). I'm looking for something that's a blend of a Mesa Boogie Mark IV or V, Carvin Legacy, and a modded JCM800.
If any of you know the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, the guitar tones (from guitarists Al Pitrelli and Chris Caffery) on thair albums Christmas Eve and Other Stories and The Lost Christmas Eve are perfect examples of what I'm looking for. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGz2QbIBRBA and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHioIlbnS_A)
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-26-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

I would look into the Blackstar HT series. Goes from Marshall to Mesa with the ISF control.
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post #3 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-26-2012, 11:56 PM
 
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

I dont know your spending limit but a used peavey JSX head goes for a good affordable price, and would sound good for all your needs you have mentioned. Try looking at guitar center used online, its safe and reliable and they will ship to any state your in, with a 45 day money back option if your not satisfied, I have bought some good used guitar heads from them from all over the US
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

The Peavey JSX has really good clean and the hi-gain channel is also good. But I haven't seen a used Peavey JSX for under $600.
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The Peavey JSX has really good clean and the hi-gain channel is also good. But I haven't seen a used Peavey JSX for under $600.
There are three on guitar center used online for 499.99 right now and one for 500.00. Just go to gc online then click used and scroll down and type in jsx , they will all pop up.
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post #6 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 12:18 AM
 
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

Oh i missed one to that is only 435.00!!( wish i had an extra 435.00)
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post #7 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 07:39 AM
 
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

5150/6505 they are great metal/rock amps and can be found cheap.

also the xxx . I have seen them go for cheaper than the jsx and i liked the xxx a little more than the jsx.

look for mesa boogie trem-o-verbs, better clean than most other rectos but still has the standard recto sound and you usually find them cheaper. the mini rectos are great too.

the mesa nomad series is also great, and can be found at a reasonable price.

egnater makes some great amps and you can find them reasonably priced used. I loved the tweaker 88.

the line 6 dt series is great as well.

the genz benz el diablo , and tribal diablo both cool amps.

you could also go with a multi-efx / modeling unit and run stright in to a powered PA speaker.

there are a vast number of reasonably priced amps just check around at pawn shops and local shops.
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post #8 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 07:51 AM
 
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

What volume are we talking about here???

I would give the blackstar ht's a wide birth when it comes to the clean channel.

here is a demo of me showing the blackstar ht-5 clean in all its ****ness lol :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AruI...lnAhZcTBGZxFPA

I thought the headroom on the bigger ht's would make them better for clean but they still sound really dull. Infact the best word to describe the clean channel on any ht would be "boring".

I would seriously recommend the orange th30 or a rocker30(about 400 on the bay). I played the th30 the other day and was so impressed i'm going back on friday to buy it. I own a mesa 5:50, mesa single rec and mesa F-50 and although you wont get the mesa sound you will get a great prog sound that is good in its own right.
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

budget is important:

best bang for the buck: 5150/6505
extreme versatility: diezel vh4
do it all box: fractal axe-fx

i still use a flextone 2 hd for my live rig because i'm very happy with the versatility of this amp, but for recording i use other amps to include the flextone as well. i mic everything even though the line6 DI is ok, capturing moving air is a passion of mine.


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post #10 of 27 (permalink) Old 11-27-2012, 11:36 AM Thread Starter
 
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

My budget is $500 maximum. That pretty much leaves most mesas out of the question.

As far as volume, I'm probably gonna end up getting a 1 or 2x12 cabinet (unless of course if I get a combo) for home practice.

@bates: actually, a "boring" clean tone may be useful if I still want to use the amp modeling on my RP500 so I can still use a lot of my presets.

@rich: are you talking about the line 6 flextone? I'm pretty familiar with the flextone III combo 2x12 and I think it's a pretty good amp, I'm just not sure if it will sound good with what I'm playing and with my setup.

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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

If you wanna use the rp500 then the clean won't matter. The rp500 can't do '4 cable' so you will need to run it's output directly to the amps fx return.
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If you wanna use the rp500 then the clean won't matter. The rp500 can't do '4 cable' so you will need to run it's output directly to the amps fx return.
I wouldn't be able to use the RP for amp modeling if it's in the amp's fx loop? (Dumb question, I know, but I'm still new to this stuff)
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What volume are we talking about here???

I would give the blackstar ht's a wide birth when it comes to the clean channel.

here is a demo of me showing the blackstar ht-5 clean in all its ****ness lol :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AruI...lnAhZcTBGZxFPA

I thought the headroom on the bigger ht's would make them better for clean but they still sound really dull. Infact the best word to describe the clean channel on any ht would be "boring".

I would seriously recommend the orange th30 or a rocker30(about 400 on the bay). I played the th30 the other day and was so impressed i'm going back on friday to buy it. I own a mesa 5:50, mesa single rec and mesa F-50 and although you wont get the mesa sound you will get a great prog sound that is good in its own right.
A preamp valve change makes things a lot better. The stock 12AX7s aren't that great for cleans. Throw in some Tung Sol 12AX7s and things get better.
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

Thats a cool idea!!! I've never really thought about it with the smaller tubes but i suppose it must have an effect
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Re: Looking for a metal/prog rock amp

I dropped a gold pin Tung Sol 12AX7 into my HT-5, and the difference was fantastic. I only really use the dirty channel, but the cleans had more headroom and sounded a lot better. The standard "like lifting a blanket off the speaker" analogy really applies here.
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