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Old 03-22-2002, 05:53 PM
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Need some serious help with midi - IT sounds soo bad


Hello,

I always thought that midi was supposed to sound like those old nintendo games. However i have heard some stuff at my school that sounds substantially better. I use sonar to do my midi stuff. MY first guess to my problem is my sound card. I have a crytal fusion and a roland MPu-401. THis came with my dell dimension computer. Do i need some external dealy to proccess my stuff is there anyting the computer that can count as a substitute?

anybody know what my problems is?

Thanks

J
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Old 03-22-2002, 07:47 PM
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Need some serious help with midi


First off midi has little to do with the sounds you hear, midi is actually just a machine language. It stands for Musical insturment *digital interface if memory serves me. It cantains no audio.
But in answer to your question to get better sound you would have purchuse better sound modules. Either external or software based. What you most likly hear off your sound card would be general midi which is some horrible old stuff. *
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Old 03-22-2002, 08:14 PM
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Need some serious help with midi


SO whats good to upgrade from general midi?

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Old 03-22-2002, 11:07 PM
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Need some serious help with midi


Hi! OK- here goes....
* MIDI is ONLY information about what has been PHYSICALLY played, or the way one wants the sound to be played. Sort of like this: Imagine you have a piano, but no strings in it, thus- no sound. *A friend knows how to explain what you are doing/playing. In another room, a second piano has strings, but no keys. (I know- just buy a real piano! lol ) OK- so, person A plays, the "interpreter" makes "note" of what is being played, how hard, etc, and then goes to person B and tells them how to hit the strings (when, how hard, which ones, etc). The interpreter is MIDI. Person A is you, and person B is a MIDI sound "source" (module, card, sampler, etc).
* MIDI is simply a "code" that was created and agreed upon by almost every manufacturer of electronic (or electro-acoustic) instruments.*A MIDI keyboard will send out a "signal" containing information about what you are playing (which key(s), how hard, how quick you let off key, etc). The MIDI info leaves the keyboard (or drum pad(s), etc) and can be sent into a computer via a MIDI interface. Once there, one can use a sequencer (Logic, Cubase, Cakewalk, Sonar, etc) to record these signals. Also, WHEN a note is to be played is recorded. "MIDI through" is the passing of this signal to a specified device, WHILE one is playing (input). Once the "signal" is recorded, one can send the recorded signals back out (through the interface) to any sound module (or source) one chooses. Or, can be sent internally to a soundcard, IF it has MIDI capabilities; or, these days- a VST/DX/etc instrument. Can also be used to control effects, VST/DX/etc, or externally through the MIDI interface to an FX device (real-time control, and MIDI time- tempo synch a delay, flange, etc- very cool )
* *This is very cool, because one can record the "performance," and then "correct" any mistakes VERY easily with the editing features in a sequencer, add notes, make them softer-louder, etc. Sky is the limit these days! The biggest thing is that you can record and edit the performance, and THEN take your time choosing the right sound! Also, this enables people to exchange relatively small files that contain all the info for a song, in MIDI. Which brins us to...
* General MIDI. Once it was apparent that MIDI was accepted and being used by almost all the newer instruments, and then most composers, a way to exchange sequences and have them sound the same for anyone who plays it, a set of predetermined "slots" for certain sounds (instruments) was created. So, if one wrote a piece of music, using MIDI, and used a soundset that conformed to the General MIDI spec, then anyone else that had a General MIDI equiped sound module (or sound card- even most SoundBlaster have had this) could play the song back on their computer and have it sound similar. Select sound #1 on ANY soundcard or module that has General MIDI, and it will play as a piano sound. Channel 10 is designated as a drum/percussion channel. Eventually, Yamaha got a wild hair and developed XG (extended general MIDI) so that more elaborate compositions were possible. Others have since used this as well, and others have varied it.
* It goes alot deeper than this, but I have written way too much as it is lol...If anyone has any other questions, or wants help with anything, please feel free to email me- got lots of spare time Nikki :angel:
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Old 03-26-2002, 04:35 PM
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Need some serious help with midi


The only reason i would wish to have extended MIDI is so that i can create drum tracks that sound decent on my computer for backing tracks. As well as the synth drums too.. I have extended midi on my computer. Im just wondering how i can access it.

J
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Old 03-26-2002, 05:42 PM
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Need some serious help with midi


Hi! What sequencer are you using?
* The ideal choice would be live drums, next would be a sampler, and next a VST/DX sampler, or stand-alone or integrated sampler. Integrated would be the sampler Emagic makes for thier Logic series, stand-alone would be Battery, etc, and there are quite a few VST/DX samplers you could use. Once you have this, search the 'net a bit, and you will find thousands of drum samples out there- literally.
* General MIDI and XG MIDI are simply predesignated "slots" or locations in a sound set for a MIDI-accessable source, such as a keyboard, module or sound card (like an SB type). The actual sounds will vary greatly from one source to another. Example- really old SoundBlasters used FM technology to create the sounds for their General MIDI soundset. These days it would sound hysterical, and it was funny back then, but one of the only ways to do it then. Today, the sounds are stored on board, or they use a "virtual" soundset. Most of the elcheapo cards use the virtual technology- saves money, and forces the host computer to do most of the work. Certain cards (like some of the SB's) allow the use of Soundfonts (millions of them out on the web-freebies too), which is another type of sampler technology- sort of. Any other questions, feel free to email me. purens9@hotmail.com * * Nikki :angel:
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Old 03-26-2002, 07:08 PM
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Need some serious help with midi


I also have a Crystal Sound Fusion, and the midi is no better than my Sound Blaster 16 UNTIL I got the Yamaha XG player (came with Final Fantasy 7, lol, I borrowed it from a friend) and it works with any midi playing software, as well as its own player. *It's amazing sounding in comparison, especially for drums. *Check it out!
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Old 03-27-2002, 12:38 AM
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Need some serious help with midi


Is that just he VQ player?
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Old 04-10-2002, 01:50 PM
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Need some serious help with midi


Hey, I'm also getting into midi. *I used to play contemporary rock/pop in a church with a whole band, and now I am involved in a start up church and it is just me on acoustic guitar, with the singers. *We are purchasing a Roland XP-80 (real nice professional workstation) to be used as a keyboard when we finally get a have a full band, and as a midi sequencer for now so that we can sound like we have a full band. *We will be buying some professional midi files, but I will be programming the easier ones (mostly just drums/bass).

My question is; *what is the easiest way to convert my guitar to midi? *I have a SB live with a midi to joystick cable, I just need some sort of converter like the Roland pickup, but I remember someone saying there is a cheaper midi pickup out there (from best buy or a similar store?). *I used to have a Roland Dr. Rhythm section that would do this, but only for single notes. *I believe the midi pickups will do chords as well, correct?

Also, I have heard that I should use the cakewalk session drummer, but it doesn't come with the version of Cakewalk guitar studio that I have, so my next step was to try out fruityloops. *Any better suggestions?

thanks for your help
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