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Old 06-16-2008, 05:38 PM
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On my never ending quest for tone...


Once again, I find myself working a fifty hour weeks in a job I have little love for the summer. Why you might ask? Well, that comes down to my fanatical quest for great tone, and my addiction to expensive equipment. For the last for years I've been slowly building my dream rig, and I feel that I'm nearing it's completion, and my perfect tone.

The first matter to address are some modifications I feel I need to carry out on my two Strats. The first Strat is a 1991 Hank Marvin signiture model (maple fretboard, alder I think, but quite possibly basswood) made by Fender Japan, which was an absolutely beautiful guitar until it was butchered. I had a luthier refret the guitar a few years ago, specifically asking for rounded, jumbo frets and for the neck laquer not to be touched. He decided I wanted small, square frets with terrible fretwork (I've cut myself on these frets, not kidding) and the neck to be relaquered (without ever stripping the original laquer, mind) in a thick, sticky horrible laquer. I'm having luthier whose work I've been impressed by strip the laquer, relaquer with a thin nitro finish, refret twith the frets I wanted and install some parts (including a new bridge) from Callaham Guitars.

I also want to take out the Duncan Hotrails I have installed in the guitar. I've very complicated and versatile switching system in this guitar, but I don't really need (or want) all that versatility anymore. I'm looking to install some pickups with a much more classic sound wih great cleans and classic strat blues/rock lead tones. I came across the Kinman Hank Marvin set, and I'm thinking this is a marragie that might make sense, but if you've any other suggestions, I'd love to hear them.

My second Strat is a 2002 USA Standard, which I quite like. The two post bridge is awful (it's machined so badly that it's impossible to set it flush against the body to maximise resonance), so I've been thinking about installing a Gotoh 520 TS FE1 bridge (does anybody know if this is a straight retrofit?), aving the neck laquer stripped and sealed with tung oil and having it refretted (the medium jumbos are ok, but I like big frets...)

The only thing I really hate about this guitar are the stock pickups, which are well, ****e. SO these need to be replaced too. Now I'm still looking fora vintage styled tone with the properties I described about, but I'd like it to be noticeably different from the Marvin Strat. Here I've been looking mainly at the Fralin pickups and the Suhr pickups, and using a Suhr backplate to cancel the hum (which requires that the middle pickup not be reverse wound or reverse polarity to the neck and bridge). I'm thinking either the Fralin Real 54s or a set of Suhr Fletcher-Landaus, but I'm still not entirely sure. Again, your input would be hugely appreciated.

We then come to effects. When I was buying my Cornford Hellcat (beautiful amp, sooo responsive) last year I sold all the effects I had (multifx and some Boss rubbish, nothing I'll miss), so for the last year I've been playing completely naked (you guys have filthy minds...) except for the amps reverb and my B.K. Butler Tube Driver.

I'm looking to add some pedals into my rig to give some different flavours. Specifically, delay, chorus, overdrive(s), fuzz and if I can find the right one, wah. While I know quite a bit about tone, I know bugger all about effects, so please help here.

For chorus, I've been looking mainly at the TC Electronic Stereo Chorus/Flanger and the Fulltone ChoralFlange. The only real requirement is that it sound very organic and natural.

For delay, I'm pretty sure that I'll get an EHX Deluxe Memory Man and a Fulltone Tube Tape Echo, and use the two of them in that order.

For ODs, I've been looking at the Jetter Gain Stages, specifally Red and Blue. I'd like something that gives a Dumble-ish tone, but I'll consider any pedals you guys recommend. I use ODs more to "colour" the tone instead of to add gain, since I usually just roll up the volume knob for that.

The fuzz I've been looking at is the AnalogMan NKT-275 Sundial (lowgain). I'm looking for a nice, smooth fuzz that cleans up well and is very responsie to playing.

Then there's wah. I like wah, I just hate every wah I've tried, which is the entire Crybaby range, both Voxes and the Morleys. The Teese RMCs look promising, as does the Budda BudWah. Think classic, this won't be used for very high gain applications.

Well, I lied above. I do know one thing about pedals, which is why I didn't use them before. Signal degradation, noise and power issues. I think that if I'm going to invest this much on great effects, I really should also invest in some kind of bypass switching system for them. Then I found out about the GigRig Pro-14, and I must say, this seems like it could solve alot of problems for using multiple effects.

As some of you know, I have a "do it right" as opposed to "do it cheap" attitude (which you might have guess by the above information) so don't be too worried about price. What I would like you guys to consider though is that there is no possible way that I can try before I buy where I live, it's just not possible.

In order of importance my purchases will be

1. Smaller amp (decided), Strat modifications.
2. Chorus, Delay, ODs and Fuzz.
3. Wah, switching system.

My favourite tones would include David Gilmour, Scott Henderson, Carl Verheyen and of course, Eric Johnson.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:11 AM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


suhr pickups are amazing. you might wanna check out carvins selection of pick ups too. they have a really nice glossy clean tone
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:41 AM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


Well if Money is no object have you thought about the original TC2290? I know Gilmore uses em and should cover you on the Chorus and delays. Oh I'm sure your already aware of the Xotic BB preamp, its been getting nothing but the highest praises from some of the best guitarists out there as being the #1 OD pedal to get, and would probably make your hellcat sound unbelievable.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:12 PM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


Thanks guys. It's not that "money is no object" because the more expensive the gear, the longer I have to work for it, but if the gear is worth it, I'm willing to work for it. I hate nothing more than getting something and feeling that it could be better.

I've been considering the BB, but I haven't heard any testimony about it other that HC reviews, which I'd rather not base my decisions off, but it's definitely being considered.
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Old 06-17-2008, 02:41 PM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


Wahs are difficult to shop for. Try the new ernie ball wah. It is alittle more subtle but its nice i think, it also wont mess with your tone much. They have a pretty cool button adjust system on them that allow you to change how much pressure it takes to turn the wah off and on.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:51 PM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


well Andy Timmons did a huge video review of the bb and another famous guy, I think Greg Howe so that should say something, as well as tons of people in this forum.

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Old 06-18-2008, 03:07 AM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


The BB is awesome as a very transparent dist/boost. You did mention you wanted something to color your tone? The BB has a very responsive eq, but your overall tone stays fairly similar. Nonetheless, I still think it is a great pedal. It doesn't have a ton of gain and can't really pull off anything metal, but as far as blues/classic rock and anything with a light/medium gain it dominates.
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Old 06-18-2008, 05:37 PM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


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The BB is awesome as a very transparent dist/boost. You did mention you wanted something to color your tone? The BB has a very responsive eq, but your overall tone stays fairly similar. Nonetheless, I still think it is a great pedal. It doesn't have a ton of gain and can't really pull off anything metal, but as far as blues/classic rock and anything with a light/medium gain it dominates.
it seems to have more gain than my modded tubescreamer, but you are right, it's not a metalzone or anything that would produce high gain. i like using it in conjunction with another od pedal which makes it more versatile imo. also good over a light gain setting on your dirty channel too.
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Old 06-18-2008, 08:03 PM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


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The BB is awesome as a very transparent dist/boost. You did mention you wanted something to color your tone? The BB has a very responsive eq, but your overall tone stays fairly similar. Nonetheless, I still think it is a great pedal. It doesn't have a ton of gain and can't really pull off anything metal, but as far as blues/classic rock and anything with a light/medium gain it dominates.

Ok, thanks for that. As I said, I usually use the volume knob to push my amp harder (5-6 is clean, then crunchy up to about 9, 10 being a nice solo volume), and it sure has plenty of gain for my purposes all by itself (I'm definitely not a metal player). If you guys think the BB is still worth a spot before the amp, it'll most certainly be considered.

I most certainly did mention colouring my tone. For example, my Butler Tube Driver couldn't possibly be called transparent, it really opens up the tone, giving a nice violin like quality. The tone changes, but it's still a great tone. If you recommend a pedal, please mention whether it's transparent (by no means a bad thing) or has a definite tonal colour of its own.
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Old 06-19-2008, 03:25 AM
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Re: On my never ending quest for tone...


I love the Xotic BB Preamp. I use it as a transparent boost for my Splawn Quickrod. Great pedal...

As far as wahs go, look no further than the Teese Wahs. I have the RMC3 (the tweakable one), but if I were to do it over again, I'd probably just go with an RMC1 (I don't find myself tweaking the wah that much). It sounds great, and Geoffrey is EXCELLENT when it comes to support.

For chorus, I use an old Japanese black label Boss CE-2. It sounds a lot better than the Taiwanese version. Very rich, lush, shimmering sounds with this one. Robin Trower actually used one to simulate his Vibe pedal when it broke on tour back in the early 80s. However, you'll have to go used to get one.

For delay, I use a Line 6 Echo Park, which is actually a really nice pedal (moreso than you would think). All the tone snobs at places like the Gear Page are really receptive of it. However, the T-Rex Replica is supposed to be great too, although it has a hefty price tag.
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