Peavey 6505

[toshiro]

Originally Posted by losgatosrg350dx

yeah but if fender took over the 5150 build, would we also be talking about a loss in build and part quality..?? or does this not matter, did evh? fender? or whomever, keep the proprietary 5150 desing, or was it redesigned since its a diff company.....then wouldnt it not be a 5150 trully...??

Eddie owns the name "5150", he can put it on a toaster if he wants to. The only parts of the 5150III I've seen are the cabs, and they were high quality. The matching head was gone from the shop I was it. It's a complete re-design.

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by kotornut

I played the 5150III and I hated it. It sounds like EVH tone but, dummed down a lot. I can't describe it, it sounded like you were faking the sound instead of really getting it. Like a Line 6 or something.

so then the internals werent trully a peavey based circuit...your saying it was tottaly different, it didnt have that chunk and umph that the origionals had...i guess youd assume the 5150III would just be more bad ass... but its not wich is what u are saying, its what id expect if fender was producing a product tho so im not surprised

[kotornut]

Originally Posted by losgatosrg350dx

so then the internals werent trully a peavey based circuit...your saying it was tottaly different, it didnt have that chunk and umph that the origionals had...i guess youd assume the 5150III would just be more bad ass... but its not wich is what u are saying, its what id expect if fender was producing a product tho so im not surprised

Actually I was aying that it sucked. I have no idea why I didn't pull it apart. I'm not a big EVH tone fan anyways so I don't go looking for his tone or why it sounds that way. But I think the peavy 5150s sound really good for a muriad of tones. This one couldn't possibly do that in my opinion.

I'm a Mesa guy to be honest.

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by kotornut

Actually I was aying that it sucked. I have no idea why I didn't pull it apart. I'm not a big EVH tone fan anyways so I don't go looking for his tone or why it sounds that way. But I think the peavy 5150s sound really good for a muriad of tones. This one couldn't possibly do that in my opinion.

I'm a Mesa guy to be honest.

i liked the 5150 tones, but i was always a super fan of the peavey ultra gain series

i put it up with some rack gear and it screamed
some noise gate, some compression, and some added gain
mega awesome
but i sold it a couple back....and now im in lovew with peaveys old poweramps
i cant wait for them to re-introduce them!!!

[toshiro]

Yeah, the 5150 1&2 idea was stolen from a Soldano SLO, boatloads of gain.

The 5150III is more like a modded Marshall tone, like comparing Fair Warning's tone(the old Plexi) to Balance(5150).

There are lot's of EVH freaks out there that love the III and think the original 5150's sound like a jar of bees.

[shogun]

Originally Posted by toshiro

EVH left Peavey. That's why the name was changed on the 5150 to the 6505. The amp was not changed, there is no built in noise gate.

Info from NAMM when the re-badging took place:
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAM...6505-amps.html

That was one of the main selling points, that they didn't change the 5150 at all. From the above:
"In fact, Peavey made only one alteration to the 5150 before relaunching it as the 6505: changing the logo beneath its metal grille. Rest assured, the signature raw rock tones guitar players have known and loved for the past 14 years are alive, loud and proud in the Peavey 6505 Series."


As for the 5150-III:
Here's a spec .pdf for it- http://www.instituteofnoise.com/L6/f...50_III_PRP.pdf
The NAMM press release for EVH+Fender:
http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAM...er/PR/EVH.html

sorry dude, but I have compared 5150's side by side with my 6505+ and they are way different.. my ear doesn't lie to me when comparing tonal qualities

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by shogun

sorry dude, but I have compared 5150's side by side with my 6505+ and they are way different.. my ear doesn't lie to me when comparing tonal qualities

you know what i thought the same thing, thats why i went with a ultra gain, but in general i dont wana argue with the description i fear getting burried on this thread

[shogun]

Originally Posted by losgatosrg350dx

you know what i thought the same thing, thats why i went with a ultra gain, but in general i dont wana argue with the description i fear getting burried on this thread

youre right.. my statement will probably cause a feud, lol

[markyperfection]

Originally Posted by shogun

youre right.. my statement will probably cause a feud, lol

well if a feud does start, i'm on your side. the very first 5150 head has always been my favorite. then they changed the logo and maintained that nothing else was different. then the 5150II came out. then ed left peavey. then another logo change (5150-6505). they seem to be a bit cheaper now than they were, if i'm remembering rightly; i wonder if this has something to do with it. perhaps they changed transformers or some internal components to reduce cost in an effort to keep people from heading over to the 5150III.

[losgatosrg350dx]

Originally Posted by markyperfection

well if a feud does start, i'm on your side. the very first 5150 head has always been my favorite. then they changed the logo and maintained that nothing else was different. then the 5150II came out. then ed left peavey. then another logo change (5150-6505). they seem to be a bit cheaper now than they were, if i'm remembering rightly; i wonder if this has something to do with it. perhaps they changed transformers or some internal components to reduce cost in an effort to keep people from heading over to the 5150III.

well when i was interested, i asked peavey
the tech support guy told me the power output is essentially the same with little to no changes from the ultra gain to the 5150 to the 6505 models....some component changes...but same circuit and values i think

but they all had different preamp sections.....i know people are saying the same, but even for high gain pups, you can hear the less noise on the 6505 than a 5150 and the ultragain just doesnt like high gain pups in the preamp


i could hear the difference in the 5150, but the only turn off for me was the effects loops wasnt that clean and it seemed like the headroom wasnt soo great, then i wanted to get a 6505, and felt that the input was great and the effects lop was great but lacked the clean i desired like i liked in teh 5150
i ended up going with the ultragain, and had my guitar in the clean channel and then sent it to a rack distortion(ganiac2 modded) and then to a noise gate, compressor, limiter and then eq, then noise gate and back into the ultragain....and it was AWESOME

beat the 5150 and the 6505

but i ended up going all rack, and got a peavey poweramp wich has the origional ultragain circuit in it(poweramp section and preamp/phase inverter section)......


maybe im opeinign a can of worms on this thread, but go ahead and throw gas on the fire, im prepared

[toshiro]

Originally Posted by shogun

sorry dude, but I have compared 5150's side by side with my 6505+ and they are way different.. my ear doesn't lie to me when comparing tonal qualities

You did compare apples to apples, IE 5150II to 6505+?

Keep in mind that tube amps sound different themselves from day to day sometimes.

I'll take Jerry P's word(FJA mods) since he's actually had the things open. http://www.fjamods.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2

Originally Posted by markyperfection

well if a feud does start, i'm on your side. the very first 5150 head has always been my favorite. then they changed the logo and maintained that nothing else was different. then the 5150II came out. then ed left peavey. then another logo change (5150-6505). they seem to be a bit cheaper now than they were, if i'm remembering rightly; i wonder if this has something to do with it. perhaps they changed transformers or some internal components to reduce cost in an effort to keep people from heading over to the 5150III.

The "Block Letter" 5150s came with better stock tubes, that's the difference. All this stuff does is inflate prices of the block letters for no real reason.

Besides which, 100% off all the 5150/6505 amps sound better modded to be able to correctly set the bias. Which I might add, most of the owners end up doing.

[shreddingjoris]

so are the speakers in the combo 6505 Any good?

[jb4674]

Originally Posted by shogun

sorry dude, but I have compared 5150's side by side with my 6505+ and they are way different.. my ear doesn't lie to me when comparing tonal qualities

I didn't know your ears were the standard by which tone is measured! Wow, Eric Johnson probably can't hold a candle next to you! ....

Jimmy

[jb4674]

Originally Posted by markyperfection

well if a feud does start, i'm on your side. the very first 5150 head has always been my favorite. then they changed the logo and maintained that nothing else was different. then the 5150II came out. then ed left peavey. then another logo change (5150-6505). they seem to be a bit cheaper now than they were, if i'm remembering rightly; i wonder if this has something to do with it. perhaps they changed transformers or some internal components to reduce cost in an effort to keep people from heading over to the 5150III.

Well, it's pretty much what EBMM did with the Axis. In the end, it was and probably still is a low quality guitar, as opposed to the original EVH one.

From my personal experience with the 5150, I thought it was way too loud for my taste and had no personality.

Jimmy

[shogun]

Originally Posted by jb4674

I didn't know your ears were the standard by which tone is measured! Wow, Eric Johnson probably can't hold a candle next to you! ....

Jimmy

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